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WE cared about the spread of democracy. WE cared that a strongman dictatorship was murdering his own people. WE CARED that Russia was threatening the entirety of Western Europe. It is too bad we have a president who has zero foreign policy credentials.
The Ukraine is falling apart people, and AMERICAN interests are at risk.
[video=youtube;Hvds2AIiWLA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvds2AIiWLA[/video]
WAKE UP.
No. I am **** tired of American lives being lost while we try to police the world and those we try to help hate us anyway. If you feel so strong about this, how and YOU and your kids go on over and lead the way.
[QUOTE=apb;528622]No. I am **** tired of American lives being lost while we try to police the world and those we try to help hate us anyway. If you feel so strong about this, how and YOU and your kids go on over and lead the way.[/QUOTE]
Did I FREAKIN say to send troops.........Nope.
I seemed to have mentioned Obama and Foreign Policy. There used to be a time we gave a ****.
Nice way to be **** tired of American Lives being lost. I said nothing about policing the world, and I said nothing about sending troops.
Later,
Geo
My apologies, I misunderstood your intent.
What American interests? Do we have a bunch of Walmarts there?
The Ukraine borders no major American commercial shipping lanes. I doubt we do much commercial fishing in the Black Sea.
Do we get lots of crude oil from Ukraine? Nope
Political or international pressure...sure go for it! But not as the leader, as a supporter of UN action.
Foreign aide? I say not one flippin penny of my tax dollars.
And I say we stay completely out of it, until the UN does its flippin job. UN starts the sanctions, then the US votes for it as a follower. If we lead it, we become the target for opposing radicals, an when the first Ukrainian sponsor attack hits a US territory or activity, then we will be committing troops and $$$$$$$.
By the way, next time make the case video with a head of state as the lead character, instead of some hottie I'm supposed to feel bad for. Hey sweetie, if you don't like whats up in your country, learn English and move to New Jersey.
And by the what, did the Ukraine get in involved in our race riots? No....hmm....wonder why....didn't they care?
Ignoe it it will go away! It was part of Russia several times. It was prt of Poland I think twice. Their history and democracy, do not go together. The EU made pie in the sky promises to them, that they knew were false. It is a divided country, the western part speaks polish, the eastern part speaks Russian. It was the bread basket of Europe once.Many of the guards at auswich were ethnic Ukraine, Some fought with hitler, some with stalin. No matter what direction we choose, it will be wrong in time.
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[QUOTE=apb;528656]My apologies, I misunderstood your intent.[/QUOTE]
Not that I wouldn't bomb them into oblivion..........but hey, I'm trying to mellow a little.
:) :)
[QUOTE=HURRICANEBOB;528659]What American interests? Do we have a bunch of Walmarts there?
The Ukraine borders no major American commercial shipping lanes. I doubt we do much commercial fishing in the Black Sea.
Do we get lots of crude oil from Ukraine? Nope
Political or international pressure...sure go for it! But not as the leader, as a supporter of UN action.
Foreign aide? I say not one flippin penny of my tax dollars.
And I say we stay completely out of it, until the UN does its flippin job. UN starts the sanctions, then the US votes for it as a follower. If we lead it, we become the target for opposing radicals, an when the first Ukrainian sponsor attack hits a US territory or activity, then we will be committing troops and $$$$$$$.[/QUOTE]
1). All oil flowing to European countries comes through the Ukraine.
2). The Ukraine has a crap ton of nuclear material and weapons.
3). The Ukraine is on the cusp of tetering back to SOCIALIST or worse COMMUNIST rule.
Lots of people died to keep that from becoming a reality.
4). Putin needs to be knocked down a peg or to. You guys though Bush was bad. WOW.
I'm sure I could come up with a bigger list........but you get the point.
[QUOTE=HURRICANEBOB;528660]By the way, next time make the case video with a head of state as the lead character, instead of some hottie I'm supposed to feel bad for. Hey sweetie, if you don't like whats up in your country, learn English and move to New Jersey.
And by the what, did the Ukraine get in involved in our race riots? No....hmm....wonder why....didn't they care?[/QUOTE]
Well, race riots had nothing to do with the balance of WORLD power did it?
And those riots were over 50 years ago. Now about something a little closer to today's reality.....
Later,
Geo
[QUOTE=GeoFisher;528701]1). All oil flowing to European countries comes through the Ukraine.
2). The Ukraine has a crap ton of nuclear material and weapons.
3). The Ukraine is on the cusp of tetering back to SOCIALIST or worse COMMUNIST rule.
Lots of people died to keep that from becoming a reality.
4). Putin needs to be knocked down a peg or to. You guys though Bush was bad. WOW.
I'm sure I could come up with a bigger list........but you get the point.[/QUOTE]
So what...the only thing you listed is what the pukes will do to themselves. Not my neighborhood, not my problem. Easier to bull doze and build on the disaster site.
[QUOTE=GeoFisher;528702]Well, race riots had nothing to do with the balance of WORLD power did it?
And those riots were over 50 years ago. Now about something a little closer to today's reality.....
Later,
Geo[/QUOTE]
Good point, they didn't care then, so fast forward, right click and delete. Not our problem.