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Guy's, I understand what Grumpy is saying..that is to say I get his point and many money people are saying the same thing.
I don't like the idea of the Government going after companies that make a profit, it just scares me something inside of me feels that it is wrong. How much of what we pay per gallon is state tax? Federal tax? It's alot more than the oil companies get. I don't think anyone in the group is to blame 100% but I do think that the people selling the oil is the most guilty of all.
Moose, I am not going to get into a contest with you, its obvisous you have an agenda other than what we are talking about.
Grumpy
I'll come down on Grumpy's side on this one. Looking at the big picture, running down the gas producers is not the answer. The oil companies aren't making anymore profit per gallon than they ever did. It's been said again and again, consumption is up. They sell more gallons they make more money. Why's that so hard to grasp?
Now the oil companies are far from angels, I think some gouging does go on, and they definitely are part of the problem. But to put the oil companies under government control, which is what many of you want will be an absolute disaster. You can listen to the liberal pols blame everything on the oil and insurance companies if you want, but I ain't buyin' it.
BTW, you'd be surprised in how many of you have ownership in oil companies. Check out your 401k plan and get back to us on that.
[QUOTE=Devils Horse;326687]I'll come down on Grumpy's side on this one. Looking at the big picture, running down the gas producers is not the answer. The oil companies aren't making anymore profit per gallon than they ever did. It's been said again and again, consumption is up. They sell more gallons they make more money. Why's that so hard to grasp?
Now the oil companies are far from angels, I think some gouging does go on, and they definitely are part of the problem. But to put the oil companies under government control, which is what many of you want will be an absolute disaster. You can listen to the liberal pols blame everything on the oil and insurance companies if you want, but I ain't buyin' it.
BTW, you'd be surprised in how many of you have ownership in oil companies. Check out your 401k plan and get back to us on that.[/QUOTE]
My 401K has alot of oil stuff, dang brother I ain't stupid, lol. But I'm still taking it in the rear. I think this supply and demand thing is being VASTLY overplayed and it has become the blanket automatic response to the incredible spikes at the pump. Trust me if I would have been President, they would have already Impeached me because I would have made a big Sand Dune out of Iraq, Iran, and most likely Afghanistan and we'd have so much oil we'd be like Jed Clampett. This country is now full of panty waste Pu$$--- that cry about everytime somebody crushes an earthworm. Remember the Alaskan Pipe line, it was going to stop and desimate the Caribou population. Now they are there in record numbers and the Cows take the young there to stay warm during the harshes times of winter. My point in all this is there are truths on both sides of the fence. The big three can make cars and trucks that get 50 miles to the gallon, I'd bet my left one on it. Why don't they you ask......... because big Oil won't let'em. When you make 14 BILLION dollars in a quater while the country is basically going bankrupt you have got some serios MOJO baby and those Tenticles reach far and wide in this country beleive it. If any of you think there is NO price gouging or deliberate attempts to make more money on this delimena we are presently in then you are incredible Nieve. Top Ceo's at big oil are making 500 million dollars a year, unless you have a magic wand and can cure cancer with a single wave of it or solve world hunger with another wave of it, guess what they aren't worth one tenth of that, it's a freaking joke. Forget the government stepping in, at what point do those greedy ******** hold a meeting and decide maybe they are getting just a little too much of the pie and have some SELF accountability. I'm done with my rant and everybody on this site has the right to their own opinion including Moose. Good fishing to ALL my fellow anglers..
WHEW ,MHALL let that bp come down alittle ...I could not agree with you more..
""Trust me if I would have been President, they would have already Impeached me because I would have made a big Sand Dune out of Iraq, Iran, and most likely Afghanistan and we'd have so much oil we'd be like Jed Clampett. This country is now full of panty waste Pu$$--- that cry about everytime somebody crushes an earthworm. Remember the Alaskan Pipe line, it was going to stop and desimate the Caribou population. Now they are there in record numbers and the Cows take the young there to stay warm during the harshes times of winter. My point in all this is there are truths on both sides of the fence. The big three can make cars and trucks that get 50 miles to the gallon, I'd bet my left one on it.""
Classic absolutely classic!! I loved it!
I don't have any agenda other than bring down the cost of energy where people can afford it.
Maybe you have some hidden agenda perhaps?
Maybe you can start a collection for.... EXXON... Those poor boys can use the money!
"The big three can make cars and trucks that get 50 miles to the gallon, I'd bet my left one on it. Why don't they you ask......... because big Oil won't let'em. "
Actually, its probably more along the lines of "people won't buy them and continue wanting SUV's.
"I don't like the idea of the Government going after companies that make a profit, it just scares me something inside of me feels that it is wrong. "
"Now the oil companies are far from angels, I think some gouging does go on, and they definitely are part of the problem. But to put the oil companies under government control, which is what many of you want will be an absolute disaster. You can listen to the liberal pols blame everything on the oil and insurance companies if you want, but I ain't buyin' it. "
I don't want the govt taking over the companies either. DJD is right, govt going after those who make a profit is a scary thing.
There are likely a number of problems here. Part of the higher prices has to do with oil speculators. They are profiting as the prices increase. Another is that countries like China and India are wanting more oil/gas while the countries that produce it are not wanting to increase the supply. Add to that the SUV craze here, and there is less to go around. I have no doubt that some are gouging. After all, I can pass a gas station on the way to work, see gas at $3.54, go out to lunch and the same place has it for $3.79. Gee, no one stopped by to drop off more gas, why the increase?
Bottom line is that we need an alternative fuel source, and fast. Until the people start really ******* about it, the pols will do nothing. Stupid ideas like the "fed gas tax vacation" (fed tax is $0.18/gall, average savings for the summer: $30) will do nothing (note that the tax goes to road work, where is that $$ coming from without the tax). Same for the idea of drill more places (you really think the US will see any oil from ANWARE (place in Alaska in case I spelt it wrong) if we drill there. Same for begging the Saudis for more oil. Hey, its going to run out completely at some point. Better to find a viable source(s) for energy long before then. If we can learn how to split the atom or put a man on the moon in a few years, we have the brain power to do something about fuel sources too. The pols just need the motivation: do something or we fire you during the next election.
Andrew
The US Military is under US Government Control and it's the best Military in the world. Who said that the US Government can't do something right.
The US Government is capable of protecting everyone from our enemies so I think that it can protect us for the greedy OPEC people and the greedy US oil companies.
I'd rather trust our oil supply to the US government under Obama than to the sand people from Saudi Arabia.
[QUOTE=mhall;326741]Remember the Alaskan Pipe line, it was going to stop and desimate the Caribou population. Now they are there in record numbers and the Cows take the young there to stay warm during the harshes times of winter. My point in all this is there are truths on both sides of the fence. [/QUOTE]
Very true, and you make a good point about the pipeline. But, if you're going to do that, I think it's only fair to give equal mention to the Exxon Valdez. Prince William Sound is still showing the effects from that spill, and probably always will.
No disrespect to anyone here, but I think what's really naive is believing that we can drill so much oil domestically that we'll no longer rely on imports, and prices will go down. Oil companies will still be in the business of making a profit, and will always do so. Not that I want them to be punished for that; that's the nature of capitalism, and despite leaning to the liberal side, NO I do NOT believe in socialism! If the oil companies go out of business, I want it to be due to competition from somebody who's developed an alternative.
[QUOTE=RoadToad;327445] ...No disrespect to anyone here, but I think what's really naive is believing that we can drill so much oil domestically that we'll no longer rely on imports, and prices will go down. Oil companies will still be in the business of making a profit, and will always do so. Not that I want them to be punished for that; that's the nature of capitalism, and despite leaning to the liberal side, NO I do NOT believe in socialism! If the oil companies go out of business, I want it to be due to competition from somebody who's developed an alternative.[/QUOTE]
I agree. You also have to consider that we do not have the refining abilities to refine much more oil right now anyway. If the US does drill much more, it will most likely be sold to China or other countries.
As far as oil companies going out of business, I don't see it. Think about it. If we do come up with an alternitive fuel source, it still has to be distributed. That is already set up with the existing oil/gas companies.
Andrew
We could have had more refineries than we could ever need and have drilled for more oil that we could ever need EXCEPT THAT THE TREE HUGGER S (LIKE MOOSE) HAVE PREVENTED IT in order to save the Red Ringtailed Garder Snake or some other such insane thing. I firmly believe in conservation and taking good care of our enviroment, but like political correctness, In God We Trust, et al, America has lost all its common sense and has gone way over board in the extreme.
Grumpy