Hydrogen for fuel increases MPG

here is a link to some info on building a hho generator.. there is alot of good info here.


[URL]http://diyhydrogenhho.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=LarryG;337489][I]'m no auto buff. But am familiar with hydrogen, being a H@ plant operator for many years. This stuf is extremly flamable, and tricky to contain,The company I workrd for has done a lot of research on fuel cells, and have some working industrial models. But here comes the rub, how will the auto industry and the oil companys adress this issue?California had a ne emission law in the 70s and there was a lot of work done on electric cars, that was scraped by congressm why?Battery patents were bought up, and are being kept away from the public.California also had public charge stations set up, those were removed, the cars were recalled, and scraped.Dont worry, if any break through is made, it will be japanese, or german, not american.[/QUOTE]


Sounds like you watched "Who Killed the Electric Car" or am I wrong? Lots of shaddy political/corporate stuff is what keeps the electric, fuel cell........... cars from making it into the mainstream.

If anyone hasn't watched "Who Killed the Electric Car" you should and I bet you come away from it mad as I did about most of it.

http://www.hydrogengenerator.cc/index.php

[QUOTE=Duayne;337483]I've done a Little research on this. It seems many of these kits use electric current to break down water. Some break down H2O into HHO, which is a gas Some of the pre-made kits include a secondary computer that retrains (Reprograms?) the car's computer to accept one of these systems.
I would be very interested in the opinions and help from those who have done this! Have you done anything to reprogram the system?
Heck, I want to put one on my boat. Why not?[/QUOTE]

This is exactly what I saw. That O2 sensor adjustment and the amount of HHO that your able to generate from your canister is key to getting that sweet increase in efficiency. Basically the more you can throw at it, the more you can back it off from the factory setting. That micro adjustment amounts to substantial fuel savings.

I do think that auto manufacturers are aware of the potential, but also the liability and volatility of HHO. Politically this is a joke, I'm a republican and think big oil has got this covered. Our government is a joke and it's still better than 95% of what everyone else in this world has.

[QUOTE=thebassman30;337530]
I do think that auto manufacturers are aware of the potential, but also the liability and volatility of HHO. Politically this is a joke, I'm a republican and think big oil has got this covered. Our government is a joke and it's still better than 95% of what everyone else in this world has.[/QUOTE]

I really believe if there was Market viability for this......SOMEONE would have done it. MONEY is made to be MADE......and some enterprising person will come up with a way to make this SAFE, EFFICIENT, and CHEAP. Once that happens, IT will make it into the mainstream. They key is SAFE. Hydrogen is one of the Most DANGEROUS end EXPLOSIVE gasses out there, and simply "baking" some up on demand, may cause you to go KABOOM.

Later,

Geo

Ok guys stop and think WOULD THE FEDERAL Gov really allow hydrogen or electric cars. THINK at 38 cents per gallon TAXES if there is no gas being sold GOBZILLIONS of dollars lost !!!!!!!!!

Well i don't know if i agree or not.. With a hydrogen generator you are not storing any gas... as soon as it is made it is being sucked into your engine. Yes there is a chance of a small fire ball or maybe a really small explosion but the chances are slim as long as your connections are made out of the container..

[QUOTE=Bair;337556]Well i don't know if i agree or not.. With a hydrogen generator you are not storing any gas... as soon as it is made it is being sucked into your engine. Yes there is a chance of a small fire ball or maybe a really small explosion but the chances are slim as long as your connections are made out of the container..[/QUOTE]

So, you're saying there is NO chance for the hydrogen to collect........If it does collect, for some reason......KABOOM. AND it doesn't take a HUGE amount to do that.......

I suspect the reason it has not been comercialized yet has something to do with safety.

Later,

Geo

I believe in my post i said there was a chance of something to happen.. But if your worried about it then just don't install one on your vechicle.. But with a bubbler there is almost no chance of a back fire

[QUOTE=Duayne;337483]Heck, I want to put one on my boat. Why not?[/QUOTE]

Do not confuse the two strokes and four stokes. They are entirely different beasts. The oil that is mixed with the gas, in your two stroke, is the ONLY lubricant your outboard recieves. It has no pump, like that of the four stroke engines, from which to constantly supply the engine with steady lubrication. You'd be flirting with dissaster!!! We're talking complete melt down here!!! However, the newer outboards with oil injection MAY be "fooled" into going along with the idea. I'd study HARD prior to installing a "make-shift" design such as this on "MY" outboard. The cost of powerhead replacement will far outweigh the cost effeciency of such a contraption. Personally, I'd rather learn from someone else's mistake. Besides, as mentioned earlier, this is a rather unstable gas your dealing with. Very, very dangerous stuff. Even the smallest leak could possibly fill the cowling (hood surrounding the powerhead) and one little spark from a plug boot, frayed plug wire, or what not, just one itty bitty spark, and you can only imagine the rest of the scenario. Your sitting less than 9 feet away from the explosion. And that hoods coming off, most likely in chunks and/or small pieces................ Good luck!!!

A coworker has done the same thing on his F-150. he has been saying around the same thing that the bassman30 was saying. My coworker has also said that a friend of his has rigged this on a carberated model Sentra. Has it rigged to shut of his fuel pump completely after the car has been running. I think the price for the kit is pretty cheap. The web site is: [URL="http://www.waterforfuel.com"]www.waterforfuel.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dakota Kid;337578]www.waterforfuel.com[/URL][/QUOTE]

A lot of these sites want to sell you a book on how to do it. BEWARE as some are fraudulent!

KABOOM??? Blair is correct on the storage/usage of the HHO. There is little risk and the only problem I heard of was a guy who didn't wire it up correctly to shut off with his engine. It continued to generate HHO and when he started his engine, it blew up his motor. Hence, wiring it correctly and having another bypass to shut it off at will. Mounting location is also another catch unique feature to every installation that would give a manufacturer some trouble.

As I said, the liability and volatility are probably the key reasons why private and auto industry hasn't embraced it.