Naturalized Lake Shiners

[gizzard shad]

I was reading one of the guides fishinf reports and he talks about using "naturalized lake shiners". Does anybody know what he means by this?

[Toney]

Hummmm? Interesting term! I've never heard that one used in the fishing world.

“Naturalization” refers to an act whereby a person acquires a citizenship different from that person's citizenship at birth. A guide who practices the "Naturalization of Shiners" would be performing a process on the Shiners behalf, commonly associated with economic migrants or refugees who have immigrated to a country and resided here as aliens.

The Shiners have to also voluntarily and actively choose to become citizens of the United States. The first step would be to teach them English. This will be difficult so I would not recommend attempting this

[Toney]

I've got it! He's talking about a Shiner that was brought (in this case as bait) by fishermen and then released into the lake. He must be catching them out of the lake for bait, so he's using that term since they are not native to the body of water they are now in.

[Rudypoo4444]

I've got it! He's talking about a Shiner that was brought (in this case as bait) by fishermen and then released into the lake. He must be catching them out of the lake for bait, so he's using that term since they are not native to the body of water they are now in.

Yatzee!

[RoadToad]

I was reading one of the guides fishinf reports and he talks about using "naturalized lake shiners". Does anybody know what he means by this?

Naturalized species: An intentionally or unintentionally introduced species that has adapted to and reproduces successfully in its new environment.
http://iufro-archive.boku.ac.at/silvavoc/glossary/34_0en.html

Like, for example, the stripers in the Ohio.

[HURRICANEBOB]

" The first step would be to teach them English. This will be difficult so I would not recommend attempting this [/QUOTE]

Dear sir, if this is the case, then half the population of KY, and Tennessee could not be considered "naturalized". Native, I'd agree to. In the interests of accuracy, lets leave it with "attempt to speak English", or "speak something remotely close to sounding like English".

[HURRICANEBOB]

Beforeanybody yells, I'm from PA, and equally less than fully naturalized.

" The first step would be to teach them English. This will be difficult so I would not recommend attempting this

Dear sir, if this is the case, then half the population of KY, and Tennessee could not be considered "naturalized". Native, I'd agree to. In the interests of accuracy, lets leave it with "attempt to speak English", or "speak something remotely close to sounding like English".[/QUOTE]

[HURRICANEBOB]

Since shad don't wear pants, and therefor would not have pockets, where would they carry their "green card" if naturalized?

[markmac60]

On a serious note, I have a related question. Isn't it illegal to release baitfish into a lake if it is not native to that lake? I always thought it was, but never checked the regulations on the issue. Anybofy know the legal facts on that one?

[Devils Horse]

The first advice to the original poster, Gizzard Shad, would be to make sure your kind doesn't discriminate against naturalized shiners. You gizzard and also the threadfin shad should try and make them welcome by embracing them into your community. Teach them to avoid the carp and drum rough fish neighborhoods, and establish themselves as contributing members of the food chain.

Explain to them Largemouth, Smallmouth, and spots should never be referred to as black bass, they should be known as pigmentationally-diverse bass. Just because bass have a different scale color and will eat your azz if they can catch you doesn't mean they are bad, just culturally different.

Calling a Crappie a slab? A big no-no. They should be more correctly known as genetically-broad-mastication-targets.

I could go on, but I fear my lessons are falling on deaf lateral lines.

[Toney]

I’m not sure about Kentucky but in Tennessee it is illegal to release baitfish into a lake. Even if that baitfish species is already in the lake, you may inadvertently be releasing microscopic organisms, parasites, diseases or viruses into the waters. You can also do this just by draining your bait tank! That’s why it is not recommended to transport live fish from one body of water to another. Catch your bait from the body of water you are fishing. Dry out you bilge and bait tank between trips to other bodies of water.

[RoadToad]

On a serious note, I have a related question. Isn't it illegal to release baitfish into a lake if it is not native to that lake? I always thought it was, but never checked the regulations on the issue. Anybofy know the legal facts on that one?

As long as whatever bait you're using is legal to use in the first place, then I'm pretty sure you can't get ticketed for dumping them in the water. But ethically, you should always dump unused baitfish on the ground.