I use the o-ring too. It saves a ton of senko's. They will still tear up, but not after every fish with these. I use the wide gap finesse hook too with the o-ring - I just seem to have a better hook up ratio withough setting the hook so hard. If it is grassy, or in brush I will weightless t-rig them, but 90% of the time I throw a wacky set up.