Obama wants to control the Internet

[DJD]

You have got to be kidding. Obama worked this past 8 months? Whats has he actually done that has impressed you?
When the "Patriot Act" was passed Libs everywhere were throwing a hissy fit about thier rights were being violated and that Bush was basicly "the devil". But now when Obama wants do this they say its great, better than sliced bread. And when someone questions this they want to compare this to the Patriot Act in its defense. Thats just hillarious.

LOL! I would like to know what the fool has done that was impessive as well.

[HURRICANEBOB]

What if the switch only took out the porn sites? Would that be bad? And think how much band width would be freed up for national emergency communications?

[fisheater]

LOL! I would like to know what the fool has done that was impessive as well.

Im impressed he still breathes.

[GeoFisher]

This was my exact thinking as well - I don't know why your comment ruffled some feathers. Seems like the Bush admin got a free pass to monitor everything from phone conversations, to emails and internet use. I don't see this being near as intrusive as that - but I guess since Obama is doing it - it must be the work of the devil right???


I just don't get how you guys defended Bush and his cronies for the exact same - even more intrusive violation of privacy, and run Obama through the ringer for it.

Col...the BIG difference I see........

Bush was given a FREE pass as you say during WARTIME.....and also it was very TARGETED.....

The main provisions are:

Section 201 - Gives federal officials the authority to intercept wire, spoken and electronic communications relating to terrorism.

Section 202 - Gives federal officials the authority to intercept wire, spoken and electronic communications relating to computer fraud and abuse offenses.

Subsection 203(b) - Permits the sharing of grand jury information that involves foreign intelligence or counterintelligence with federal law enforcement, intelligence, protective, immigration, national defense or national security officials.

EDIT..........I left out some provisions that are important..........Here is a LINK.....these are worse than the above, but still NOT as bad as what the Obamunists are trying.

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/pat...rovisions.html

These are pretty broad.........but NOT as broad as "Lets shut down the ENTIRE internet INFRASTRUCTURE in the name of NATIONAL SECURITY".

In my mind......Obama and is MORONS in office are painting with a 1000lb paintbrush, instead of the find point camel hair paintbrush BUSH used.....

Later,

Geo

[Col Forbin]

You have got to be kidding. Obama worked this past 8 months? Whats has he actually done that has impressed you?
When the "Patriot Act" was passed Libs everywhere were throwing a hissy fit about thier rights were being violated and that Bush was basicly "the devil". But now when Obama wants do this they say its great, better than sliced bread. And when someone questions this they want to compare this to the Patriot Act in its defense. Thats just hillarious.

I never once said I agreed with Obama on this issue - I don't. I didn't agree with the patriot act either.

I can list many great things he has done from environmental issues, educational issues, health care issues (especially the push for standardized health records), push for bi-partison healthcare reform (if you don't think this is needed - get your head out of the dirt or away from fox news), lifted restrictions on stem-cell research, international relations have tremendously improved, re-focus our war on terrorist- not Iraq, encouraged others to take a stand to militants/terroists (pakistan), restrictions on lobbyist, economy is showing signs of an upswing, housing prices have risen for the past three months (first time in 3 years).

This is all in an 8 month period without any substantial time for significant progress. This is far better. Maybe you just don't like a president that actually works. By this time in the last administrations tenure - the president had already take close to 40 vacation days.

[GeoFisher]

What if the switch only took out the porn sites? Would that be bad? And think how much band width would be freed up for national emergency communications?

DEMS have killed every effort to create the .PORN or .XXX url definitions.

They have also killed EVERY measure to try to bring some sort of decency to the internet.

I'd LOVE to see a REAL rating system that enforces website rating, and then you could effectively block CRAP you don't want......

DNS servers around the world could be FORCED to rate content......Nothing wrong with that if you ask me.......censorship yes, but NOT by the government.

If your content is not rated, it automatically gets a HIGH rating, thus being blocked "temporarily" by most viewers.......once vendors of legitimate content get blocked a few times, they will voluntarily get a CONTENT rating.

All my personal websites (those I host, and create), have content rating for Youth.....BLOCK AWAY, because I don't allow GARBAGE to flow there.

BTW......this site the OT components would probably get an "R" type rating, while the other board would prob be PG........

Later,

Geo

[bassiusmaximus]

I never once said I agreed with Obama on this issue - I don't. I didn't agree with the patriot act either.

I can list many great things he has done from environmental issues, educational issues, health care issues (especially the push for standardized health records), push for bi-partison healthcare reform (if you don't think this is needed - get your head out of the dirt or away from fox news), lifted restrictions on stem-cell research, international relations have tremendously improved, re-focus our war on terrorist- not Iraq, encouraged others to take a stand to militants/terroists (pakistan), restrictions on lobbyist, economy is showing signs of an upswing, housing prices have risen for the past three months (first time in 3 years).

This is all in an 8 month period without any substantial time for significant progress. This is far better. Maybe you just don't like a president that actually works. By this time in the last administrations tenure - the president had already take close to 40 vacation days.

First off I never said you agreed or disagreed with anything. Point being that libs have a different opinion about what is "acceptable" depending on who is in power.
Secondly I don't recall ever saying healthcare reform wasn't needed. I have said that the current healthcare legislation is not the answer. Its a joke.
Thirdly OBAMA has not done anything to focus on terrorist. I don't believe his administration even refers to them as terrorist. It might hurt terrorists feelings.
Hasn't had enough time for significant progress? Lets see by comparison in a few days it will be 9/11 and yet when Bush was in office and this tragic event occurred the libs were saying it was all his fault. Never heard them say he hadn't been in office long enough to prevent this from happening.
Internantional relations have improved with who? Since his apology tour I am sure there are plenty of other countries that just can't wait to have a president of the U.S.A to come kiss thier behinds.
As for vacation days... Is that how you spend your time counting vacation days of former presidents? What's Obama's count up to?
Also I would much rather have my head in the dirt than up my ---.
Wow!! I didn't realize there was another news source. Thanks for the update. If I actually see another channel that will actually say something objective about Obama I might consider them.

[GeoFisher]

I never once said I agreed with Obama on this issue - I don't. I didn't agree

with the patriot act either.

GOOD......

from environmental issues,

Name some Examples.....

from educational issues,

Again......got some examples.

health care issues (especially the push for standardized health records),

Most SERIOUS companies already have standardized health records, AND STANDARDIZED encoding...What he could do here is allow CROSS state insurance plans to get the Fee Schedules in line.....I doubt that will happen though....

push for bi-partison healthcare reform (if you don't think this is needed - get your head out of the dirt or away from fox news)

Yea.....he's making some GREAT headway there, isn't he......and IF the rest of the media would cover the ISSUES and stop giving him and his cronies cart blanche on EVERYTHING, maybe FOX wouldn't be beating EVERY other news RAG...........COMBINED......in EVERY time slot..........HM.

lifted restrictions on stem-cell research

This might be a good thing........time will tell.

international relations have tremendously improved,

Yea.......now North Korea is NOT scared of us......Now, Iran has MORE nuclear capabilities, now Israel is HONKED off at us.......NOW Scottland lets TERRORIST bombers off to go home to a heroes welcome......GREAT international relations.......FREAKIN FANTASTIC.

re-focus our war on terrorist- not Iraq,

Our troops are pulling out of Iraq........Militant violence there is the highest in 18 MONTHS.....MARK MY WORDS.....in 24 months, we will be BOMBING Iraq again......

encouraged others to take a stand to militants/terroists (pakistan),

This is a GOOD thing.......

restrictions on lobbyist,

You have GOT to be kidding here........the lobbyist activity in his admin is WORSE than the Haliburton BS you guys brought up EVERY 2 seconds in the bush admin......

He has had MORE scandals than Clinton, and that is saying a LOT.

economy is showing signs of an upswing, housing prices have risen for the past

three months (first time in 3 years).

Not sure I agree with this...........YET........the market is still a bouncy ball....AND I suspect it will TANK again soon. For the first time in 20 years, the Yen is actually STRONGER than the dollar.....THAT my friends, should scare the CRAP out of you. Asian markets took a BEATING over the weekend, and they were HAMMERED Last night......

By this time in the last administrations tenure - the president had already take close to 40 vacation

days.

Bush liked to vacation at his RANCH....at HOME.........Obama.....Martha's Vinyard.....I'm suprised he was EVEN allowed into the clubhouse.....

WHITE SNOB, elitist LIBERALS................

Yea, he's doing a FANTASTIC JOB.

Later,

Geo

[Devils Horse]

I never once said I agreed with Obama on this issue - I don't. I didn't agree with the patriot act either.

I can list many great things he has done from environmental issues, educational issues, health care issues (especially the push for standardized health records), push for bi-partison healthcare reform (if you don't think this is needed - get your head out of the dirt or away from fox news), lifted restrictions on stem-cell research, international relations have tremendously improved, re-focus our war on terrorist- not Iraq, encouraged others to take a stand to militants/terroists (pakistan), restrictions on lobbyist, economy is showing signs of an upswing, housing prices have risen for the past three months (first time in 3 years).

This is all in an 8 month period without any substantial time for significant progress. This is far better. Maybe you just don't like a president that actually works. By this time in the last administrations tenure - the president had already take close to 40 vacation days.

A push for bi partisan health care reform? I can't believe you actually typed that. Whose head is in the dirt here? Mr. Obama's health care bill came straight from pro government far left Democrats, just like most everything else he's brought to the table.

The President has more than broken his bi partisan campaign promise, he's stomped it in the aforementioned dirt. The stimulus bill was passed without even giving the Republicans or anyone else a chance to READ it, let alone have any input. Same with the health care bill. The President by his own admission hadn't even read the health care bill when he hit the stump trying to ram it through Congress. Guess you can write off that transparency campaign promise as well.

Evironmental issues? Other than appoint an ultra left extremist as Green Jobs Czar, what's he done?

Educational issues and stem cell research I'll give you a pass due my ignorance of his efforts there.

Improved international relations? Please. Apparently you've confused apologized with improved.

Restrictions on lobbyists have been limited to lip service, no true restrictions. They're operating as usual in DC at this very minute.

Mr. Bush stopped Iraqi state sponsored terror, dealt terrorists a critical blow, and we had no more 9/11's. Mr. Obama has our soldiers deployed in Afghanistan with a similar goal. Difference is he gets support from the left for his war instead of the hate Mr. Bush got for Iraq.

The economy would've improved as much or more by now without the government borrowing 800+ billion from China to get into the banking, insurance, and automotive businesses. Cash for clunker cars/appliances are warmed over rebate programs very similar to those in the Carter administration. Basically they make it easy for consumers to get themselves into more debt.

No Col, you don't present any convincing arguments, just vague liberal talking points.

[Tom523]

This was my exact thinking as well - I don't know why your comment ruffled some feathers. Seems like the Bush admin got a free pass to monitor everything from phone conversations, to emails and internet use. I don't see this being near as intrusive as that - but I guess since Obama is doing it - it must be the work of the devil right???


I just don't get how you guys defended Bush and his cronies for the exact same - even more intrusive violation of privacy, and run Obama through the ringer for it.

What law abiding citizen of this country was harmed by president Bush's anti terrorism policies?

[kyfanatic]

If Obama and the tree huggers get their way and pass the cap and trade,every utility bill we have will skyrocket and those of us already jilted by the poor economy will almost certainly go under,instead of finding ways to tax us to death the Commies better find some jobs for Legal Americans.

[slippedcork]

You are serious? How is this the same? Please explain that one to me...

If you didnt care about bushes wire tapping why would you care about the internet, same thing IMO. One involves a phone and the other a computer. What you say is interpeted the same on either one.