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[elnutsmalljaws]

Tubby!!! Tubby!!!! Tubby!!!!, the ONLY coach UK has had since Hall with any CLASS at all FROM START TO FINISH!!!!!! One thing with "10 loss Tubby" as people called him right before he was ran out of town, he played no favorites, sat starters and star players for not going to class and other team violations during the regular season and during the SEC tourney. Class act all the way out the door, never said a negative word about UK, even when the signs were being put in his front yard and all the rest. One Class Act that I can say Sutton, Pitino, Gillespie and Calipari could ALL learn a thing or two from. I am a UK fan and always have been but neve like the way Tubby was ran out of town for UK and their arrogance was sure to get "Billy" and they got him too but it was Billy G not Billy D. Calipari has a fun style but rumors and allegations follow him around at every stop he has been at, collegiate speaking, not to mention the Bombshell attempt at the NBA. I think all programs "cheat", to what degree and to what extent is the difference. Some get caught and some don't but I do think all programs "cheat", meaning not following the rules 100% of the time. An extra phone call here, a letter there, extra practise time here and there, "voluntary" workouts that just happen to have all players attending.....they all cheat but to what degree. If Calipari keeps us off probation and can bring some class and dignity back to the program then that is enough for me. You will NEVER see the UCLA dominance of however many final fours and championships again by ANY program. Kids are different today. They care more about the name on the back of the jersey than the one on the front of the jersey. These kids have not played their first collegiate game but Wall, Cousins, Orton.... are already mentioned as one and done players with Wall being talked about as the overall number 1 pick. As far as I am concerned, go back to the way it was before, let the HS kids go and attempt the NBA draft out of HS. If they don't get drafted then too bad for them. Why is College Basketball any different than Baseball or Football, you can try and go pro right out of HS in Baseball but once you sign and attend college you are commited for a couple of years, Football does not allow them to come straight out of HS either and Basketball makes you be out of HS for 1 year before you can try the pros. Make it all the same, either let them go or make them stay in College a min of 3 years. How many of these kids that are one and done kids really make an effort in the classroom? Would you, if you knew within 8 months you were going to be drafted making Millions with no education needed, just skills. Off my soapbox now, the last part is not related to the thread but wanted to add.

[mhall]

Nice post Woody, and you are correct, the Tubster had one thing everywhere he has been and that has been solid disipline and integrity. Nobody can take that away from the man. You are also right about how he was handled to, it was wrong bigtime. Mitch Barnyard should have been fired a long time ago.

[kyfanatic]

For all that class Tubby had he took a Minnesota job before the season was over and left without so much as a goodbye to the players he recruited.He wasn't fired.
He was bullheaded and refused to change the Asst Coaches he had to improve recruiting,funny he never took any of them to Minnesota with him.
Sure all the rival fans loved Tubby,because he wasn't getting the job done anymore.

[mhall]

For all that class Tubby had he took a Minnesota job before the season was over and left without so much as a goodbye to the players he recruited.He wasn't fired.
He was bullheaded and refused to change the Asst Coaches he had to improve recruiting,funny he never took any of them to Minnesota with him.
Sure all the rival fans loved Tubby,because he wasn't getting the job done anymore.

That's not the way it happened at all, where do you get this stuff.

[kyfanatic]

That's not the way it happened at all, where do you get this stuff.

From the UK Atheletic Dept. where I have ties.

Tubby Smith was not fired,he quit.He had already accepted the Minnesota job after visiting there in January of his final year,he never said a single word to the players on the current team about it until after the fact.

My neighbors daughter is married to a Lexington developer,is a coach in the UK womens Tennis team, and was a neighbor and friends with Tubby and Donna Smith,they were upset over Tubby leaving,but facts are facts.

[kyfanatic]

Now without starting a pissing contest MHall,where do you get your info?
I would like to see all your factual evidence that John Calipari cheated at UMass or Memphis,are you aware of what actually hsappened at these schools?
Please tell me how Calipari was responsible for Marcus Camby secretly getting benefits from an NBA Agent? Are you aware that the NCAA cleared Derrick Rose then after he had already played questioned his SAT score,which Rose claims he took the test and Memphis is now appealing the NCAA ruling and has filed suit? How did John Calipari cheat?

[kyfanatic]

Forgot to mention that Tubby was extremely peeved because they wouldn't let him hire Saul as an Asst Coach.

[mhall]

Now without starting a pissing contest MHall,where do you get your info?
I would like to see all your factual evidence that John Calipari cheated at UMass or Memphis,are you aware of what actually hsappened at these schools?
Please tell me how Calipari was responsible for Marcus Camby secretly getting benefits from an NBA Agent? Are you aware that the NCAA cleared Derrick Rose then after he had already played questioned his SAT score,which Rose claims he took the test and Memphis is now appealing the NCAA ruling and has filed suit? How did John Calipari cheat?

Yep and so far all you have done is repeat exactly what the talking heads say on TV. I don't have all these special ties like you do. A friend who knows a friend who knows a Denist that works on a neighbors teeth, lol. I heard all that crap you quoted about Tubby a long time ago and didn't believe a word of it then and I still don't.

The bottom line at UK is you better win games or ELSE, that my friend is the bottom line PERIOD. They would fire Jesus H Christ from coaching if he had a couple of bad seasons. If controversy follows you EVERYWHERE you go Glenn do you find it just a little supsicious, I'm just asking?

[kyfanatic]

I never said Calipari was an angel and I find the World Wide Wes connection to be on the darkside,but I feel the media blasts too much garbage that isn't based on facts just to get readers and hits on their websites regardless of truth or not.

I know more people than my neighbors daughter in UK's athletic dept.
That's really beside the point.
Tubby Smith may have been under alot of pressure,but he wasn't fired,he moved on rather than make the changes that were asked of him.

Why did UL get rid of Denny Crum,a Hall of Fame Coach?