Cumberland River Shock results are SAD !!!

[Rock_Fish]

The way you guys keeping going at it, Peter may need to consider establishing a new discussion board just for trout. LOL

Relatively new to the LC/CR area, but looking forward to spending some of my "golden years" on the river teasing those trout.

Trout section sounds good to me ! With Fly Tying , Etc ! But do not worry about Peter seeing this. He is still asleep !!!

[FlyLie]

Maybe you are not paying him enough! When is the last time you gave him a raise?

[kygorski]

I've fished several of the western michigan rivers for steelheadm spring and winter, and I'm going to raise some hackles, but my spinning tackle out performed my fly rod quite a bit.I had a 9ft rod and used a wf line with a 9ft tapered leader. Did that on the cumberland when I first moved down here in 93, but gave it up. There should be an artificial zone on the river in some places.I take the barbs off my favorite baits, loose a few, but since I dont eat trout, dont care.

[kygorski]

oh by the way. if this bottom clinging slimy weed isn't dealt with, the river will just be a put and take system like the small creeks.

[Rock_Fish]

Maybe you are not paying him enough! When is the last time you gave him a raise?

Pay Him ??? Can we pass a hat here to pay Peter ??? We will talk about the raise after he does the attachments !

[Rock_Fish]

oh by the way. if this bottom clinging slimy weed isn't dealt with, the river will just be a put and take system like the small creeks.

It will not take very long either given the rate it has grown in the last year

[kygorski]

Lost my last message big fingers poor eye sight. But I'm wondering what you guys mean by 6 wght and so forth. I'm not going to run out and buy another fly fishing rig, been there done that. But in my youth, we used letters for instance a BE would be a torpedo taper for large flys and bugs, An E BE would be used for subtle fly presentation, I never used a sinking tip, and floating lines that were good were rare. Split bamboo was the most used material and a lot of rods had two tips and four sections, No we didn't need to worry about dinosauers or wild indians!Tied a lot of step down leaders myself. My last rod was a 9ft loomis that cost me an arm and a leg, bought it from a friend who made custom rods. When I decided to give up fly fishing he completly stripped the blank and turned it into a spinning rod that was a dream. While wading near the dam, slipped on a balanced rock, and broke it, That reaaly hurt. thanks for the patience. I dont have anything against the "purists" who live by the fly rod, but I also fished the west and the white river using spinning gear, and enjoyed it.

[RICHYD4U]

oh by the way. if this bottom clinging slimy weed isn't dealt with, the river will just be a put and take system like the small creeks.

Amen.

-Rich

[RICHYD4U]

Pay Him ??? Can we pass a hat here to pay Peter ??? We will talk about the raise after he does the attachments !

I'll put some in the hat....especially if they start a trout fishing thread for us trout enthusiasts! A fly fishing thread would be SWEET! JMHO.

-Rich

[RICHYD4U]

Coombro-
Here are some responses to your last post:

1) "Trout are trout"
-Yes, same species.

2) "All bodies of water are subject to warmer temps low oxygen and such as to deplet their quality of fish:
-Simply not true. All depends on the location of the water and it's water source. Sure, maybe some waters down in the southwest are susceptible to this (were it is warm), or waters with a poor water source (small springs, seasonal streams, etc.) But waters such as the snake, green, salmon, weber, provo....they will always have cold, oxygenated water. Never have these waters gone through what the CR is. They were intended for trout.

3) "Trout hatcheries exist in the western states also to replenish the supply and demand."
-This is true, merly due to the abundance of trout fisherman out west and the tole it takes when that many people take fish out of systems. When trout is the targetted species of 99.9% of fisherman, replenishing is necessary. Where as here, maybe <5% of anglers target trout. (that's why I C&R).

4) "A couple years back an Idaho trout hatchery lost some 250,000 rainbows to a desease called ich."
-Guess they should have boughten the "ick away" drops from walmart. All fish, in any place, are susceptible to diseases.

5) "Let a 5lb trout peel my drag and native or not he fights."
-Obviously haven't caughten a 5lb native bow or cutt......HUGE difference then a planter.

6) "western fish are no smarter than our fish."
-Also false, and there are two reasons why. First, when dealing with native trout that have fed on native forage for the entire lives, they develop a keen eye for a fake. Secondly, the emense trout fishing pressure out west has produced very educated trout. i.e. go to the Green River and throw a gold hook (you will be blanked)....go to the Green River and throw the right fly in the wrong color (you will be blanked)....go to the Green River and throw the right fly with the right color, but in the wrong size (you will be blanked). It is simple, more pressure = harder to catch fish.

7) "While fishing the snowy mts of wyoming an indian told me try a #8 gold aberdeen hook and a splitshot during the spring run off. I did and the trout tore it up."
- Did this Indian, by chance, then sell you some #8 gold aberdeen hooks...lol. Perhaps he was looking to get rid of some. Not sure the name of the water you are referring to, but if the water was up, mirky, and raging, I guess you might fool something into biting it. Then again, with a #18 lighting bug fly on the FR, you probably would have caughten ten times as many.

-Rich

[RICHYD4U]

I've fished several of the western michigan rivers for steelheadm spring and winter, and I'm going to raise some hackles, but my spinning tackle out performed my fly rod quite a bit.I had a 9ft rod and used a wf line with a 9ft tapered leader. Did that on the cumberland when I first moved down here in 93, but gave it up. There should be an artificial zone on the river in some places.I take the barbs off my favorite baits, loose a few, but since I dont eat trout, dont care.

I agree with ya, spinning fishing can definitely outfish the FR....if the conditions are right. I love spin fishing too, and will not hesitate to bring both on my trips. If I find the water is not suitable for my FR, out comes the spinning gear! Love throwing spinners and spoons for trout, reminds me of when I was young.

Wish more people would de-barb their lures when fishing for trout. People just don't realize how easily trout die. Barbless hooks are all I carry when fishing for trout. Sure, you may loose a couple (but you may have lost them anyways), but being able to release a trout with minimal damage is definitely worth it!

I don't eat trout either......too boney! That is why God made eyes and crappies!

-Rich

[peter]

Rock_fish stayed on me until I converted and made available the results.

Here are the study results.

http://www.fishin.com/articles/shock-results/cumbyshock.pdf

Thanks Rock.
Peter