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    Re: Got a LOT to LEARN!!

    Quote Originally Posted by RICHYD4U View Post
    Very well put Rock. FFin isn't just a method of fishing, it's a way of life! Once you baptise yourself in a trout stream (which can be avoided with studs, lol!) then you become an official FFer! It's taking many baptizings to wash away my prior spinning sins. lol! Or......was it those felt boots I had for years?

    KEEP IT SIMPLE!!! I can't stress that enough! It is easy to get "system overload" when it comes to flyfishing. So much information and techniques and flies and gear and....blah...blah....blah! All that will come over time, but don't worry about it for now. Focus on basic casting techniques and basic fly patterns. I have to stress the importance of using two flies again....it is not difficult and if you tie your second fly directly to the bend of your first fly with about 8" of tippet.....rarely have tangle issues...at least I don't. This will increase your catch ratio and chances...IMO. Simple set-up for success:

    1st fly: #14 BH nymph or a San Juan (attractor)
    2nd fly: #18 BH nymph (your money fly) 8" down from the 1st fly
    .....then place split 6" up from first fly, as many split as the water dictates, enough to get your flies on the bottom, but not snagging everytime.......Strike indicator (I love thingamabobbers or the twistons) about 5' up from first fly...this will vary related the depth of the water you are fishing...longer for deeper water (with heavier split) and shorter for shallower water (less split). Also have to consider water speed to adjust your splits. Sounds complicated, but it's not. You'll know when you are doing it what it takes to get the flies on the bottom.

    My daughter was catching trout on this set-up at age 4! lol! It's works everywhere! And again, we all need to get together and RIP SOME LIPS!!!

    -Rich
    Eight inch dropper huh ? Guess mine have been a bit long. I know this in my case! Distance casting with a Double Haul. And very tight loops with too long of a dropper will cause TRAIN WRECKS ! I cannot help it ! I love to see an additional 15-20' of line shoot out like a rocket !

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    Re: Got a LOT to LEARN!!

    Man, seriously, I need to hook up with some of you guys. Here lately, I'm getting back to thinking just being there is much better than catching 'em. Something about a f'rod is so much more relaxing than a spinner. Dont get me wrong, I love fillets, but something about the anticipation and the rod doubling over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leakinwader View Post
    Man, seriously, I need to hook up with some of you guys. Here lately, I'm getting back to thinking just being there is much better than catching 'em. Something about a f'rod is so much more relaxing than a spinner. Dont get me wrong, I love fillets, but something about the anticipation and the rod doubling over.
    Yes I agree ! There is something about it that you cannot explain !

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    Re: Got a LOT to LEARN!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Fish View Post
    Eight inch dropper huh ? Guess mine have been a bit long. I know this in my case! Distance casting with a Double Haul. And very tight loops with too long of a dropper will cause TRAIN WRECKS ! I cannot help it ! I love to see an additional 15-20' of line shoot out like a rocket !
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    How long do you drop to your second fly on a nymph rig? I could see where a long drop to your second fly could cause some tangles. We've always fished with about 8-10" (don't measure..just pull tippet out and "guesstimate" lol) drop from our first nymph. I've never had problems with tangles. I will shoot some line occasionally with a nymph rig if the situation calls for it...but most the time I am roll casting and dead sticking. You can get perfect "drag-free" drifts rolling and deading. IMO

    -Rich

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    Re: Got a LOT to LEARN!!

    Quote Originally Posted by RICHYD4U View Post
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    How long do you drop to your second fly on a nymph rig? I could see where a long drop to your second fly could cause some tangles. We've always fished with about 8-10" (don't measure..just pull tippet out and "guesstimate" lol) drop from our first nymph. I've never had problems with tangles. I will shoot some line occasionally with a nymph rig if the situation calls for it...but most the time I am roll casting and dead sticking. You can get perfect "drag-free" drifts rolling and deading. IMO

    -Rich
    Ya, out to a certain point I can do OK. But then I get bored and start to think the fish are further out ! So I can launch the double haul ! I have always used 12" - 18" dropper ! Or longer if I have a floating fly on top as an indicator ???

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    Re: Got a LOT to LEARN!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Fish View Post
    Ya, out to a certain point I can do OK. But then I get bored and start to think the fish are further out ! So I can launch the double haul ! I have always used 12" - 18" dropper ! Or longer if I have a floating fly on top as an indicator ???
    OK.....if we are talking about dropping under a dry fly...definitely longer 18"+. I was referring to dropping below a second nymph on a tandem nymph rig....with that, I drop 8-10". But ya know, 8-10" or 12-18"....I don't think the fish have tape measures anyways.....LOL! The only difference would probably be less chance of tangle with the lower inches. IMHO. Other than that, two peas in a pod! On second thought....perhaps the female trout would prefer the 12-18"..........LMAO!!!

    -Rich

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    Re: Got a LOT to LEARN!!

    Ha, ha ha ha! Ah, ha ha ha! Hilarious!


    Are you using a heavier fly at the end or tying to it? This could be an issue as well, depending on casting style and room of course.

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    Re: Got a LOT to LEARN!!

    Probably just casting errors on my part ! And trying to get too much distance with a Hopper / Dropper rig !

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    Re: Got a LOT to LEARN!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Fish View Post
    Probably just casting errors on my part ! And trying to get too much distance with a Hopper / Dropper rig !
    That happens with the Hopper/Dropper rig......just cause of the length of the dropper. I get occasional tangles with that rig as well, just part of it I always thought. Love the hopper/dropper setup out west in summer....I can remember one particular stream (a secret spot of mine ) in the Wasatch Mountain range, UT that runs alongside a canyon road. It is so small that you can literally straddle the banks from one side to the other, lol......but it is FULL of big browns, bows and cutts that will KILL a Hopper/Dropper rig! The funnest part is, they will hit the Hopper 90% of the time! Nothing funner than a wild trout obliterating a hopper! Can't wait to get back home this summer and hit it for old times sake.

    -Rich

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    Re: Got a LOT to LEARN!!

    Can you guys point me to a "Fly For Dummies" book. I'm trying to get it, but dang, too many "fly guy" terms............lmao.
    You guys have great patience to even try to explain it all.

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    Re: Got a LOT to LEARN!!

    Quote Originally Posted by leakinwader View Post
    Can you guys point me to a "Fly For Dummies" book. I'm trying to get it, but dang, too many "fly guy" terms............lmao.
    You guys have great patience to even try to explain it all.
    We've all been there You'll get it! Never hesitate to ask questions or clarifications.....if we don't know....we'll make it up! LOL!

    -Rich

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