Whistle Blower my BUTT........this is treason........PURE and SIMPLE

[GeoFisher]

+1 on ending the wars...

IMO, I don't know what to think about this WIKILEAKS.Been following the site for a long time now. I think its great that their is journalist out there that still know how to do their job and have not sold out. If it were up to the idiot box news out lets, nothing other than govt propaganda would be heard.

At the same time I can see this being a lot of B.S to give big brother an excuse to start censoring everything.
WikiLeaks has put out some good credible info in the past. Like the vid of the drone firing on civilians.
If you look at the newest files they have released,,its not too credible. An their isn't really anything in there that could endanger our troops. Its recorded events of the wars. Basically like a huge time line of events. Day by day recordings of incidents etc. Nothing that is going to tell the enemy the troops locations or give them an edge on the battlefield.

The idiot box media is going to blow this way out of proportion to try and justify internet censorship by big brother... Just my 2 cents.

You're KIDDING..........RIGHT.

The great info you talk about with regards to the "drone" firing civilians.......

FIRST......it was NOT a drone.....it was an Apache gunship.

Second the video was 43 minutes long, not 18.. WATCH the REAL video.......you can see it on that crappy site FOX NEWS. AND then tell me they are civilians......

I guess ALL civilians carry RPG's and AK's, and FIRE at passing aircraft.

Later,

Geo

[Catfish Bob]

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I guess ALL civilians carry RPG's and AK's, and FIRE at passing aircraft.


Geo

Civilians of nations that have been invaded by foreign armies, forced to live under new laws, had their homes destroyed, children rapped.....

Please remember this war started because they had WMD's. Which was a lie! Everything they feed you on that box is a lie!
I thank God I was raised by parents that wouldn't allow me more than 30 minutes of tv a day. It will truly rot and distort your brain.

[stratosjoe]

Be careful Bob you'll get labeled a comie liberal with too many comments like that

[Catfish Bob]

Be careful Bob you'll get labeled a comie liberal with too many comments like that

hmmm,,, very interesting.

Since I was of age to vote, I been registered Independent. Something, I'm very proud of. Never have fallen for the labels people use to describe themselves.

If a comie liberal is someone that has beliefs like, all U.S citizens should be armed to the teeth, the democrat and republican labels should be done away with, the IRS should be shut down, too many cops roaming our streets looking to collect money, the borders should be as well guarded as Fort Knox, and that the gubment was behind Ok City and 9/11. Then maybe I am.

As far as Fox News goes, they are unbalanced. For example, Hannity will not have Peter Scriff on his show.Had his opponent on and acted like their was no other candidate. Scriff is the Tea Party rep for Connecticut running for senate. I have been following this guy since 09. IMO, he is a great candidate for congress.
Peter Schiff talking some about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f91V6...os=fA3w9lbNf3M

Peter Schiff on Morning Joe 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj75s5w5yDA
They try to chop him down but hes too strong.

[GeoFisher]

hmmm,,, very interesting.

Since I was of age to vote, I been registered Independent. Something, I'm very proud of. Never have fallen for the labels people use to describe themselves.

If a comie liberal is someone that has beliefs like, all U.S citizens should be armed to the teeth, the democrat and republican labels should be done away with, the IRS should be shut down, too many cops roaming our streets looking to collect money, the borders should be as well guarded as Fort Knox, and that the gubment was behind Ok City and 9/11. Then maybe I am.

As far as Fox News goes, they are unbalanced. For example, Hannity will not have Peter Scriff on his show.Had his opponent on and acted like their was no other candidate. Scriff is the Tea Party rep for Connecticut running for senate. I have been following this guy since 09. IMO, he is a great candidate for congress.
Peter Schiff talking some about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f91V6...os=fA3w9lbNf3M

Peter Schiff on Morning Joe 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj75s5w5yDA
They try to chop him down but hes too strong.

Personally, you sound like a follower of Korish, or one of those WHACK JOB Freeman.........

Views are Views, and you're entitled to them though.

I have no doubt there is corruption in the works, and I agree with a few of your ideas, but NOT on OK, 911 and cops......the rest, well WE AGREE

Personally Cops are not the problem, but COP UNIONS are the scourge of the EARTH.....

Later,

Geo

[Catfish Bob]

Personally, you sound like a follower of Korish, or one of those WHACK JOB Freeman.........

Views are Views, and you're entitled to them though.

I have no doubt there is corruption in the works, and I agree with a few of your ideas, but NOT on OK, 911 and cops......the rest, well WE AGREE

Personally Cops are not the problem, but COP UNIONS are the scourge of the EARTH.....

Later,

Geo

Geo I don't where you live but around here its ridiculous. I been pulled over at least 4 times this year for no reason. They pull ya over and make ya sit there forever too. I work early as heck. Some days as early as 3 am. They pull me over and want to know what I'm doing out at this time, and want me to allow them to search my vehicle etc,,,its a joke and it makes my blood boil when I'm late to work cause some cop thought I was out too late at night. I drive a plain white 04 chevy pickup, so its not like I should look specious. Maybe its their higher ups that are pressuring them to get out there and find reasons to arrest people to make money for the city.

One of these days their really going to P me off. An I'll probably go ape on um, get tazered an have a heart attack an die. Last time I got pulled over at 4am on way to work the cop gave me so much crap,,,,question after question of what I'm doing out at 4am and "what kind of people have to be at work at 4am, that is dumb." Exactly what the uneducated, obese pig said to me as he was on the clock at 4am himself.

I know my views are a bit off the wall to some. This is only place to talk about politics I really know of...Not allowed at work, an my friends/family could really care less. Their too worried about the unimportant issues like sports, celebrities, tv,, etc.... So thanks for not giving me a hard time. Just a young guy trying to figger out how this messed up world works.

[RoadToad]

I have yet to be able to get the website to load. I'm sure it's just getting overwhelmed with traffic since this came out.

I'm not buying the whole "whistle-blower" thing, either. If the guy had leaked documents about a specific event or events, and was trying to show how some terrible war crime had been committed, maybe. But it seems to me what that he did was just download everything he could, and send it over to Wikileaks. And they're not calling it evidence of this or that crime, they're just saying, "Hey, here's a bunch of documents some a-hole sent us. Have at them!" So to me what this Pfc Manning has done is basically vandalism, except in this case it was vandalism against our national security, and he deserves some serious jail time for that. And Wikileaks isn't some virtuous outlet where people can reveal hidden truths. They're just your garden-variety anarchists, willing to publish anything that any government wants to keep secret, just because they can.

Maybe the best thing that will come of all this will be a review of security practices. This may be just an indicator of how little I know about our military, but to me it seems odd that someone with the rank of Private First Class would have access to so much classified information.

[DJD]

Civilians of nations that have been invaded by foreign armies, forced to live under new laws, had their homes destroyed, children rapped.....

Please remember this war started because they had WMD's. Which was a lie! Everything they feed you on that box is a lie!
I thank God I was raised by parents that wouldn't allow me more than 30 minutes of tv a day. It will truly rot and distort your brain.

Hmmmm I can appreciate a man/woman who has heart felt convictions but you have to have an open mind on these political issues. Both sides lie cheat and steal for power and control.

For example...I don't like the present Liberal mantra of we are all equal and we should take from the evil rich and give to the poor because it isn't a fair idea. How many of those Politicians are rich??? How mmany of these rich leaders don't pay their taxes? This garbage is out there to keep the low income folks on their side....thats ironic because it doesn't work and yet they still follow the libs and their bull.

I listen to the others but still disagree with the Liberal way, just doesn't make sense to take from me to give to you. I believe we have been sold out by special interest groups, crooked politicians and a liberal media who tries to control the people of this country. We don't enforce laws to the fullest extent, Lawyers are the devil in disguise and the big bad gubment feels they need to raise my kids in school....all problems that contribute to our country getting soft, fat and dependant on the gubment. Which is what they want so they can continue to tax us to death. Healthcare, Cap and Trade, Social Programs etc etc...

Fox news is a breath of fresh air to me because they are different than the rest. I'm not alone because they RULE the air waves and tv ratings. People like the Conservative take on topics.

I have learned to accept opposing views, I think their way off! Crazy! Wacked out! But I'll listen!

[MrSplitshot]

Powder Keg topic here...and I probably should read more of the documents before commenting, BUT...some random thoughts...

First let me say that I support our troops completely and have the utmost respect for their sacrifices. Even though nothing would make me happier than seeing every last Taliban member, insurgent, and radical Islamic militant jihadist go down in a blaze of gunfire at the hands of our soliders...I don't know that I'm in favor of continuing to do what we have been doing. Are we making progress towards the goal? By the way, what's the goal? Kill all terrorists? Keep them fighting over there so they can't rally and come fight us over here? Get Bin Laden? Fire up a Democratic Afghanistan that can support itself, then get out? It's okay to ask the questions. Is it setup to fail? I understand that's pretty much what the wiki-leaks deal has tried to expose. I haven't read but a couple of the documents, and I'm sure there are some in there that will put our soldiers in harm. This will be spun, especially by those opposing the war, to cast a negative shadow over the US Military and will only serve as fuel for those who already hate us and don't agree with what we are doing. For those reasons, I think the wiki-leaks information was irresponsible. This cat has received a ton of international attention to his website, which is exactly what he wants.

However, maybe playing Devil's Advocate, I sit here and realize that whomever supplied him the information had everything to lose and nothing to gain. That tells me that maybe they felt extremely passionate about "wrongs" being done that cost lives....so much that he/she was willing to risk their life to expose it. I think it's easy for us to say that the person should be executed, but whether you are military or civilian, right is right and wrong is wrong. I've always gathered that questioning the righteousness of authority within the military culture isn't exactly welcomed with open arms. Maybe this person felt so strong in their convictions that they knew the only way it would ever be exposed was to leak it...with the repercussion being massive against them if their identity discovered. Whether you agree or not, it may sound weird...but I kinda admire the passion, if that turns out to be their intent. While we can say "This guy has put our troops in harm with these leaks and should be tried/executed", maybe he/she could make the same argument that the mismanagement of our forces and the situations that they have been put in have put even more in harms way from the start. Again, they have basically risked their life here trying to expose it...if their intentions were sincere. Maybe they felt it was the only way that the wrongs would get exposed, and stopped, thus actually saving American lives in the long run. Maybe they felt the situation in Afghanistan was that dire and feared for the men and women that will continue to loose their lives if they don't get what they need to WIN. (Disclaimer: If it comes to pass that they leaked the info in exchange for a bunch of cash or something, then piss on em.) All I'm saying is that we should get the facts on why this person leaked what they did.

That said, I believe it has been said numerous times that War is Hell. Stuff is going to happen...stuff that's not pretty...and I believe that unless you have been over there holding a rifle, taking fire from insurgents, praying that every approaching car isn't loaded with explosives, and trying to determine which one is your friend and which one is your enemy...(Guess what? They all look the same.)...then who are we to really judge the actions that our soldiers take right now? Sure, they make mistakes and do some boneheaded stuff just like any other...just because they are soldiers doesn't mean they are perfect...but in my humble opinion, they've earned a little slack within reason. They're at war. They're not out for an evening stroll. That doesn't excuse the particularly heinous war crimes, if you will, but I think it gives them a little leeway on other things.

For example: If guys who jump the gun and mistakenly kill some friendly civilians in a combat environment should receive a little slack due to the situational stress, then should a higher ranking officer also receive a little slack for leaking documents if their intent is to expose what they passionately feel are wrongs being done to their men and women on the battlefield?

[pontooner]

Powder Keg topic here...and I probably should read more of the documents before commenting, BUT...some random thoughts...

First let me say that I support our troops completely and have the utmost respect for their sacrifices. Even though nothing would make me happier than seeing every last Taliban member, insurgent, and radical Islamic militant jihadist go down in a blaze of gunfire at the hands of our soliders...I don't know that I'm in favor of continuing to do what we have been doing. Are we making progress towards the goal? By the way, what's the goal? Kill all terrorists? Keep them fighting over there so they can't rally and come fight us over here? Get Bin Laden? Fire up a Democratic Afghanistan that can support itself, then get out? It's okay to ask the questions. Is it setup to fail? I understand that's pretty much what the wiki-leaks deal has tried to expose. I haven't read but a couple of the documents, and I'm sure there are some in there that will put our soldiers in harm. This will be spun, especially by those opposing the war, to cast a negative shadow over the US Military and will only serve as fuel for those who already hate us and don't agree with what we are doing. For those reasons, I think the wiki-leaks information was irresponsible. This cat has received a ton of international attention to his website, which is exactly what he wants.

However, maybe playing Devil's Advocate, I sit here and realize that whomever supplied him the information had everything to lose and nothing to gain. That tells me that maybe they felt extremely passionate about "wrongs" being done that cost lives....so much that he/she was willing to risk their life to expose it. I think it's easy for us to say that the person should be executed, but whether you are military or civilian, right is right and wrong is wrong. I've always gathered that questioning the righteousness of authority within the military culture isn't exactly welcomed with open arms. Maybe this person felt so strong in their convictions that they knew the only way it would ever be exposed was to leak it...with the repercussion being massive against them if their identity discovered. Whether you agree or not, it may sound weird...but I kinda admire the passion, if that turns out to be their intent. While we can say "This guy has put our troops in harm with these leaks and should be tried/executed", maybe he/she could make the same argument that the mismanagement of our forces and the situations that they have been put in have put even more in harms way from the start. Again, they have basically risked their life here trying to expose it...if their intentions were sincere. Maybe they felt it was the only way that the wrongs would get exposed, and stopped, thus actually saving American lives in the long run. Maybe they felt the situation in Afghanistan was that dire and feared for the men and women that will continue to loose their lives if they don't get what they need to WIN. (Disclaimer: If it comes to pass that they leaked the info in exchange for a bunch of cash or something, then piss on em.) All I'm saying is that we should get the facts on why this person leaked what they did.

That said, I believe it has been said numerous times that War is Hell. Stuff is going to happen...stuff that's not pretty...and I believe that unless you have been over there holding a rifle, taking fire from insurgents, praying that every approaching car isn't loaded with explosives, and trying to determine which one is your friend and which one is your enemy...(Guess what? They all look the same.)...then who are we to really judge the actions that our soldiers take right now? Sure, they make mistakes and do some boneheaded stuff just like any other...just because they are soldiers doesn't mean they are perfect...but in my humble opinion, they've earned a little slack within reason. They're at war. They're not out for an evening stroll. That doesn't excuse the particularly heinous war crimes, if you will, but I think it gives them a little leeway on other things.

For example: If guys who jump the gun and mistakenly kill some friendly civilians in a combat environment should receive a little slack due to the situational stress, then should a higher ranking officer also receive a little slack for leaking documents if their intent is to expose what they passionately feel are wrongs being done to their men and women on the battlefield?

Have to agree that if the guy who leaked the info felt the way you described then it does shed a different light on things.

Lets hope he's not just wanting some attention or being vindictive for some reason.