Airport Security

[zx150]

Don you hit the nail on the head. I think comparing this to the Holocaust is like comparing apples to Trains.

[MrSplitshot]

If you don't want a pat down, go through the scanner.

If you don't want to go through the scanner, get a pat down.

If you don't want either, don't fly.

It's really quite simple.

I also have no problem with a little profiling. If you lined up every terrorist that ever tried to bomb or hijack a plane and they were all short, white, chubby dudes of German descent....well...I'd expect to get searched before every flight.

We must be doing something right, because there haven't been any airline tragedies recently attributed to terrorism...and it isn't because they don't want to.

[Catfish Bob]

How many airline tragedies due to terrorism were their before 911 Zero

[Tim_T]

How many airline tragedies due to terrorism were their before 911 Zero

Catfish Bob, you should stay away from a Federal Building! You fit the profile of an embittered white American with an axe to grind against the government. What profile did the guys fit that blew up the building in Oklahoma City? Oh that's right, they werre exactly like you.

Tin Foil Hat's!

[Catfish Bob]

Catfish Bob, you should stay away from a Federal Building! You fit the profile of an embittered white American with an axe to grind against the government. What profile did the guys fit that blew up the building in Oklahoma City? Oh that's right, they werre exactly like you.

Tin Foil Hat's!

Hmmm, an axe to grind against the govt....That is the exact terminology that the media uses when demonizing the Tea Party etc,,. I've read those exact words many times before.
NO, just for the record or whatever, I have "NO AXE TO GRIND AGAINST THE GUBMENT." I'm just a pee on tax payer and voter, I know my role.

Unless you want to travel down the black hole. Don't get me started on the Ok City event

[zx150]

You don't like it don't fly. Sorry if national security hurts your feelings. Gee if I could profile there would be less crime in Louisville LOL.

[Catfish Bob]

You don't like it don't fly. Sorry if national security hurts your feelings. Gee if I could profile there would be less crime in Louisville LOL.

It is not about my feelings its about civil liberties.

If you want to give yours up, then by all means get to the back of the bus and shut up.

Until then quit crying when people want to preserve what men died for and that make this country great.

Ignorant people will just let their god given rights go right out the window.

[MrSplitshot]

Until then quit crying when people want to preserve what men died for and that make this country great.

Ignorant people will just let their god given rights go right out the window.

(1) So, men and women died to preserve our civil liberties, but they didn't die for our ability as a country to provide security to our citizens and prevent them from being being blown up on airplanes? Make sure you salute the flag and kiss the constitution right before the hijacker pushes the button. I'm so glad his civil liberties weren't infringed.

(2) There is a difference between just surrendering all of our certain inalienable rights and having the common sense to allow certain highly effective security measures at airports. I only want to worry about whether or not the pilot is in a good mood and the mechanics of the plane while I'm 30,000 feet in the air....not whether or not the dude in the 3rd row from the front on the left has C4 strapped to his ass or a .380 tucked under his sack. When on a plane, you are putting your life 100% in the hands of somebody else....you have no control....I'm a fan of security out the wazoo in those situations. If I'm in a football stadium or a shopping mall, I can run, kick, jump, duck for cover, or shoot for myself.

(3) I'm a lot of things, but ignorant aint one of em hoss!


You conspiracy theorists probably have to take a lot of Ambien to sleep! lol Go fishin!!!!

[MrSplitshot]

How many airline tragedies due to terrorism were their before 911 Zero

The list of bombings and hijackings pre-911 is not short. The list of bombings and hijackings post-911 is significantly smaller, which tells me that something the TSA/Homeland Security/FBI is doing must be making it harder. Again, it sure isn't for lack of desire on the part of terrorists.

[roadrunner]

We are doing all of this so we can be politicaly correct.

WE NEED TO PROFILE.....

[RoadToad]

All of this is coming from the political pressure in Washington to be "tough on terrorism," and the "War on Terror." Which BTW I think is kind of a strange phrase.. I mean, how can we be at war with an emotion? Anyway, I think there's a lot of pressure on both the government, and the airlines, to do everything humanly possible, invasive or not, to prevent anything from happening on a plane, and if, God forbid, something does happen, anybody who is perceived as having skipped something is going to get crucified. So that pressure is trickling on down to the airport employees, and some of them are going beyond "erring on the side of caution," they're getting downright militant about it. But I'm all for reasonable measures, and I think the scans and pat-downs in general are reasonable measures. And to me there's no civil rights issue at all. If a private company, an airline, wants you to submit to a body scan, pat down, whatever, in order to engage their services, seems to me they should have the right to do that, or you can take the bus, or drive, or walk, or ride a horse. The Constitution only applies because it's a government entity implementing the security. But even so, the rights granted in the Constitution aren't completely unlimited. They can be limited when there is a "compelling reason" to do so, such as national security, or the "general good." For instance, your First Amendment right to free speech doesn't mean you can reveal classified information, or threaten people. So, even though I believe in respecting everybody's religious beliefs, if those religious beliefs mean you can't be searched before you board a plane, then I say, "Fine, we'll respect your beliefs, and we won't search you. You are free to find some alternate form of transportation. Now please leave the airport immediately." It's a national security thing.

The one thing that does worry me is the reports of the radiation the scanners emit. If it's going to be a health risk, they need to find a different scanning method. Which I suppose they're probably working on already. Actually, I'm not that worried about any of this, just glad that I rarely fly any more and don't have to deal with it!

[roadrunner]

All of this is coming from the political pressure in Washington to be "tough on terrorism," and the "War on Terror." Which BTW I think is kind of a strange phrase.. I mean, how can we be at war with an emotion? Anyway, I think there's a lot of pressure on both the government, and the airlines, to do everything humanly possible, invasive or not, to prevent anything from happening on a plane, and if, God forbid, something does happen, anybody who is perceived as having skipped something is going to get crucified. So that pressure is trickling on down to the airport employees, and some of them are going beyond "erring on the side of caution," they're getting downright militant about it. But I'm all for reasonable measures, and I think the scans and pat-downs in general are reasonable measures. And to me there's no civil rights issue at all. If a private company, an airline, wants you to submit to a body scan, pat down, whatever, in order to engage their services, seems to me they should have the right to do that, or you can take the bus, or drive, or walk, or ride a horse. The Constitution only applies because it's a government entity implementing the security. But even so, the rights granted in the Constitution aren't completely unlimited. They can be limited when there is a "compelling reason" to do so, such as national security, or the "general good." For instance, your First Amendment right to free speech doesn't mean you can reveal classified information, or threaten people. So, even though I believe in respecting everybody's religious beliefs, if those religious beliefs mean you can't be searched before you board a plane, then I say, "Fine, we'll respect your beliefs, and we won't search you. You are free to find some alternate form of transportation. Now please leave the airport immediately." It's a national security thing.

The one thing that does worry me is the reports of the radiation the scanners emit. If it's going to be a health risk, they need to find a different scanning method. Which I suppose they're probably working on already. Actually, I'm not that worried about any of this, just glad that I rarely fly any more and don't have to deal with it!

We are not at war with the emotion we are war with the act of terror. Any government, group or organization which promotes, trains, funds, or commits terrorist activity we are at war with them.

I do think we need security but we need to profile whom we search. Not the grandmothers or the pilots who do not need a bomb they can fly the thing into the ground when taking off or landing not the family going to Disney etc. We need a national I D card for the folks who are flying on a frequent basis they would have to go through an FBI check to receive such a card their name would be on a list and would identify them when they purchased a ticket.

The Israelis profile by looking at and interviewing the person. They can detect if he is nervous traveling with a group of people that are nervous don’t give same answers that fit with the group etc. Have one way ticket, where they came from etc. They are very skilled and this alone makes anyone trying to commit an act of terror very nervous. If they have cause for concern then they search that person.

There are better ways to insure our safety than what we are doing.