EPA...food for thought!

[GeoFisher]

Wow, I believe this is what I was trying to say a couple of weeks back. Not sure why people don't believe that we can do things profitably and still protect the environment....oh wait now I remember, it make cost the corporations a .2% profit or something.

If you DON'T think the EPA regulations have anything to do with companies shutting down and moving elsewhere, you're CRAZY.......

You know good and well that companies have moved due to EPA regulations, especially where there are NO regulations.......Like Mexico, India, China, etc, etc.

I can name you a dozen that move SPECIFICALLY due to regulations.

http://savingusmanufacturing.com/blo...otection-laws/

Later,

Geo

[kygorski]

yep, figured that was going to come from you,So the EPA has done nothing good at all right? Yes some compants have moved, and some are darn sorry now that they did.When thier investments in research are copied, and sold from under them.When some of those great american companys would gladly come back, if some sucker state would build them a utopia.

[GeoFisher]

yep, figured that was going to come from you,So the EPA has done nothing good at all right? Yes some compants have moved, and some are darn sorry now that they did.When thier investments in research are copied, and sold from under them.When some of those great american companys would gladly come back, if some sucker state would build them a utopia.

Care to link some details about what you're talking about.......

Here is a link that kind of supports your claim.........

http://www.usatoday.com/money/econom...ing04_CV_N.htm

NICE to see it working that way, but I still think there are a ton that left due to regulation and will say OUT until the regulations are changed.

[FlyLie]

I remember all to well when the automotive industries, their supply base and many other US manufactures went south of the border and it wasn't the EPA that ran them out. They packed up and did it on their own chasing the cheap labor $ in Mexico. Then in just a few years, they discovered the CHEAPER labor $ overseas, started packing their bags and and away they went again. Or was it Mexico's EPA organization that drove them out?

[Tim_T]

If you DON'T think the EPA regulations have anything to do with companies shutting down and moving elsewhere, you're CRAZY.......

You know good and well that companies have moved due to EPA regulations, especially where there are NO regulations.......Like Mexico, India, China, etc, etc.

I can name you a dozen that move SPECIFICALLY due to regulations.

http://savingusmanufacturing.com/blo...otection-laws/

Later,

Geo

Where did I saw companies didn't move because of EPA regulations?

Most move because of cheap labor, but the EPA makes a handy excuse.

[GeoFisher]

Where did I saw companies didn't move because of EPA regulations?

Most move because of cheap labor, but the EPA makes a handy excuse.

They move because of both.............

[roadrunner]

The EPA has done some good things for the environment which is a good thing but like most government agencies and unions all the good things they did became law and now they are trying to prove they are still needed. Obama is using the EPA to circumvent the legislation by EPA regulations i.e. cap and trade and a host of other regulations on which there is no scientific evidence to justify the regulation.

If you think the EPA does not affect businesses or job creation then you probably have never owned a business. In Illinois it takes at least three years to get an air permit before you can start or expand a business thanks to the IEPA.

[GeoFisher]

Why have we not built a NUKE plant in 30 years.......EPA
Why have we not built a Refinery in 30 years........EPA
Why do we not drill OIL we have in proven reserves.......EPA
Why do we not continue in ANWAR..........EPA

I'm sure I could create a list 100 deep.

Later,

Geo

[RoadToad]

Why is the air breathable in Louisville (and plenty of other cities in America you name)? EPA
Why have our sewers only blown up ONCE? EPA
Why haven't we had many worse environmental disasters than Exxon Valdez and the Gulf oil spill? EPA

That's another list you could go and on with. Well, someone who looks at it objectively could.

[GeoFisher]

Why is the air breathable in Louisville (and plenty of other cities in America you name)? EPA
Why have our sewers only blown up ONCE? EPA
Why haven't we had many worse environmental disasters than Exxon Valdez and the Gulf oil spill? EPA

That's another list you could go and on with. Well, someone who looks at it objectively could.

Good response.......

BUT you're off the mark with regards to louisville air quality........I think Louisville will always have crappy air quality due to locality. Also, we no longer VET test our vehicles. What does quality look like versus when we did?

BTW........here is a neat PDF.

http://rivers.hanover.edu/doc/AirHistory2-10.pdf

Later,

Geo

[RoadToad]

Good response.......

Thanks!

I'd say locality's main influence on air quality has to do with pollens in the air, and allergies, not so much with things the EPA would regulate, and yes, those things aren't going to change. But I beg to differ, I am ON the mark, just look at Rubbertown. Louisville's air quality would be markedly worse were it not for the anti-pollution measures in place there, and those industries wouldn't be doing all that if they didn't have to.

Thanks for the interesting PDF. Yes, we were warned, in 1958!

[kygorski]

We got into an interesting group discusion once at a night class at Purdue, The prof stated that once an event occurs that is a problem, there are no simple solutions.What Geo says about nuclear power plants is right on, its a relativly safe power source, if handled properly, the problem, waste. What do we do with it?No simple answer. Refinerys, none built in years, he's right, why? Maybe transportation. We had 7 refinerys in east chicago indiana, now only one. Feed stock, oil comes from the gulf either by off shore or by super tanker, pipelines carry it inland.Pipelines need maintanence, that in most cases is costly. But I degress, remember acid rain? It started effecting pine forests and lakes in the north east, coal was the culprit, sulpher dioxide, rain, acid rain. So we almost cured that problem, BUT if we would have not done anything, we would have eliminated the pine bark beetle, that is destroying pine forests.