Tiger fires Steve Williams

[elnutsmalljaws]

I guess Tiger can't look in the mirror and man up as to why he has become irrelevant in golf so he fired his caddie Steve Williams. Tiger was mad that Williams caddied for Adam Scott in the British Open and said it was time for a change. Tiger won 33% of all the tournaments he entered with Steve on the bag. He would not have done that with another caddie not to mention Williams was in Woods wedding and vise versa. Sad that Woods has fallen this far so fast and NOBODY seen this coming. If you had said a couple of years ago that Tiger would not win another tournament and fall out of the Top 10 in the world rankings and fire his caddie, you would have thought they were crazy. Tiger is in worse shape than I thought and may NEVER make it back to even close to what he once was

[mhall]

I didn't say it two years ago but I did over a year. Check back, I told you once he got caught and had to get clean he would just be one of the boys and you siad he would dominate. You did tell me I was crazy, I told ya Woody, without the Roids he's just one of the boys.......

[DJD]

I think this is more proof that Golf is such a mental game. Tiger is so far out there since he has lost just about everthing that was his "normal". So now he has to blame everyone and punish everyone around him for his actions of the past instead of being a man and taking it on the chin. The guy has been treated like a super rockstar for so long he started believing he was just that.

Now we will see if he can dig inside and find the real man...it's gonna be tough. I personally don't think roids has anything to do with his mental down fall but maybe physically?? I guess I missed that he was taking them? Just asking but was he?? I know he beefed up pretty good but a man his age with a good diet and the best trainers can do just what he has done with his body. I hope he pulls out of this and gets things back on track.

[mhall]

One tell tale sign of HTH roid use which many in the golf world including his peers believed he was using is Joint pain and break down after the stoppage of use. He is hurting all over he admits, his drives are much shorter on average and struggling physically both on and off the course. I agree his head is in the wrong place, but alot of his fellow golfers, many in the PGA and I alike believed he was juicing. One doctor was said in an interview that he was injecting him regular with the stuff. I know he went from a decent build to ripped overnight and I lift alot and that is very hard to do without supplements. Also his outbursts and fits he would throw are also a real sign of the juice. Just some thoughts, but I agree his head is not right either and the mental game is huge.

[Tim_T]

Tiger was the best golfer out there before he allegedly got juiced up. I also doubt roids and HGH made him have the best short game in the world. Not sure that IF he was juicing, how much it would help. He was already out driving anybody before he beefed up.

The guy won the U.S. Open on a freakin' broken leg!

Tiger's problem is mental. He was always the mentally toughest player on tour and he lost that edge. He still has the natural athletic ability, he just doesn't have it upstairs.

[mhall]

Tiger was the best golfer out there before he allegedly got juiced up. I also doubt roids and HGH made him have the best short game in the world. Not sure that IF he was juicing, how much it would help. He was already out driving anybody before he beefed up.

The guy won the U.S. Open on a freakin' broken leg!

Tiger's problem is mental. He was always the mentally toughest player on tour and he lost that edge. He still has the natural athletic ability, he just doesn't have it upstairs.

Everybody has an opinion, thats all this thread is about. His long game has always been better than his short game IMO. His leg wasn't broke, thats a stretch, lol. Unless you know for sure which I'm sure you don't, your ability to say he wasn't using isn't anymore valid then mine to say it is, unless you have some friends of a friend that knows Tiger personally or something, lol.

[Fishin is life]

Tiger had the ability to turn his short game on in pressure situations....He was possibly the best pressure putter to ever play the game...Juice, and being all beefed up, if anything, would hurt his short game...I'm not saying he did or didn't juice, but you can't attribute all of his being the best golfer in the world on that alone....He could've, and did compete on the pga when he was in college and certainly wasn't juicing...He has gone from complete dominance to not even remotely being in contention in any tournament....He better get his head turned around quick or he might as well retire to his multimillion dollar homes with anything and everything he wants

[psprowler]

I guess Tiger can't look in the mirror and man up as to why he has become irrelevant in golf so he fired his caddie Steve Williams. Tiger was mad that Williams caddied for Adam Scott in the British Open and said it was time for a change. Tiger won 33% of all the tournaments he entered with Steve on the bag. He would not have done that with another caddie not to mention Williams was in Woods wedding and vise versa. Sad that Woods has fallen this far so fast and NOBODY seen this coming. If you had said a couple of years ago that Tiger would not win another tournament and fall out of the Top 10 in the world rankings and fire his caddie, you would have thought they were crazy. Tiger is in worse shape than I thought and may NEVER make it back to even close to what he once was

Williams will caddy for Adam Scott from here on, but I don't think the reason he was fired was because he caddied for him in the British Open. From what I understood he was fired a bit back and is now just making it public. Correct me if I'm misinformed.

[Tim_T]

Everybody has an opinion, thats all this thread is about. His long game has always been better than his short game IMO. His leg wasn't broke, thats a stretch, lol. Unless you know for sure which I'm sure you don't, your ability to say he wasn't using isn't anymore valid then mine to say it is, unless you have some friends of a friend that knows Tiger personally or something, lol.

He could barely walk, did you see what all was wrong in the diagrams they showed on tv regarding his leg? He shouldn't have even been playing, yet not only was he playing, he was winning against the best golfers in the world. You hate the guy and have said as much numerous times here. I am not a Tiger fan, but can look at it objectively and say he is one of, if not THE best golfer I have seen.

Also, if you go back and re0read my first post, I never once said he was not juicing, heck he probably was, but it has yet to be proven. I think a lot of athletes juice, especially in sports that don't have rigorous testing for it. I just don't see it as being that huge of a help in golf, a sport that is more techinique related than it is strength related.

I believe Manny Pacquaio is one of the biggest juice heads in sports, but I have no way to prove it.

[mhall]

I admit I don't like him, never have never will. I think he is a spoiled rotten punk, always have always will. I think he is a terrible role model and was overall bad for the sport to which I would rather watch flippin latex caulk dry then observe it on TV. I always viewed golf as a sport for guy's that couldn't fish, lol. I'm hot, even my sweat is sweating, kinda honery today I guess. I hope he fades away like a bad Zit on your nose and NEVER breaks Jack's record who was a REAL golfer who played the game and acted the way you are suppose to. I think he was a Roid head and I always will, was he a GREAT golfer..............sure he was I would be a dumbass to say different, but I still can't stand him. Objectively as you say, yea I'll give him his props. Finesse game sure, but if you are getting there in three when everybody else is getting there in 4 or 5 Tim, sorry buddy it makes a big difference. I use to lift with a guy that ended being a Cop, super nice guy. We were the same size and lifted all the time. He went into some competitions and starting juicing, needles and everything. My max bench at the time was about the same as his 320 to 340. He went to 420 in about a month, YES I saw it with my own two eyes, 420 and was a 198lb man. There are some NFL linemen that can't bench 420 but he could. Now he was a beast before but that stuff made him frickin Superman. He is still a Cop and clean as a whistle, my point is I seen first hand what that stuff could do, and it was just unreal and fast to and it blew him up like you put a hose in his skin to.

[RICHYD4U]

Tiger is a tragedy...it goes to show you what happens when you live your life poorly, and make bad choices. You are the product of your choices....and karma is a b****!

Oh yeah, and coming from a life-long lifter, there is no way that tiney, scrawny little Woods turned into what he did without a little help, if you know what I mean!

-Rich

[MrSplitshot]

He may be an awesome caddy, but Tiger Woods made Steve Williams....He made some serious coin every time Mr. Woods' hoisted a trophy. It's a shame if a friendship was lost, but I don't feel sorry for him. Williams has what I call "F-You Money." He has enough money to say "F-You" and walk away at any time, no scratch off his posterior. He'll continue to be a good caddy for some other golfers, make some more cash, riding his history with Woods.

I agree that it may be the mental side of golf that has Woods all knotted up. His addiction to Vitamin-V, busted up marriage, the entire world looking at his every move for awhile...huge mental roadblocks there. I also feel like he probably was on some juice. BUT, his swing was so physical, so powerful...people were saying a few years back that they wondered how his body would hold up to that kind of uber-repetitive and pounding stress. Do you realize how many swings of the golf club he probably made every day? I mean, he probably slept with his 9-iron...may have even had sex with it, or some heavy petting at a minimum, considering his addiction. Him breaking down is not a huge surprise to me, just didn't expect it at this age. A combination of mental distractions, possibly coming down off some juice, and the physical toll of what he put his body through may all be contributing factors to the fall of Tiger...

BUT...

I still say he has a comeback in him. Give him a couple of years out of the limelight. He is liable to roar back and make up for his leave of absence.

PS. I think he's a douche bag, but I can't discount the talent he showed, the wins, and the magical shot making ability. He may have been juiced, but golf is more about finesse and the space between your ears than raw power.