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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadToad View Post
    You may as well have just said you have no issue with believing the Earth is flat.
    First of all thanks for taking my sentence out of the context of the rest of the entire post. Did you even bother to read the entire post with my explanation?

    Did you read where I allow biblically that it could also be older?
    However there is one verse that allows for the earth to be older
    And how I summed up the post?
    Some things we just can't know for certain. I don't really have an issue trusting that God created may have everything in six literal days and when formed everything would appear as whatever age God intended them to be. Or everything created prior to day four when God gave us our time could have been much older.
    Let me then ask you a question?

    For arguments sake assume for a moment God did create Adam in the neighborhood of six thousand years ago. If somehow a group a scientist were able to "see" Adam when he was just two days old by all the evidence they could see would they conclude Adam was two days old or would they conclude he must be closer to twenty or thirty years old?

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    One thing I always find amusing when people use the "earth is flat" statement to mock others. It really makes the opposite argument.

    The person who trusted more in the bible back in that day instead of blindly trusting in the common beliefs of the most educated men of the times would not have trusted completely in the flat earth theory. It is the bible that first teaches the earth is round.

    It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. Isaiah 40:22

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    Yes, SLP, I read all of your post, and I stand by what I said.

    As for your claim that the Bible makes reference to a spherical Earth, there is much debate about that, and it hasn't really been proven one way or the other, in my view. The Hebrew word used in Isaiah, "chug," means a flat circle, like a coin, not a sphere or ball. However, creationists are quick to note that the Hebrew language at the time lacked a specific word for "sphere," so you have to look elsewhere to try and figure out what was really meant, and everybody seems to want to believe the interpretation that supports what they already believed.

    "For arguments sake assume for a moment God did create Adam in the neighborhood of six thousand years ago. If somehow a group a scientist were able to "see" Adam when he was just two days old by all the evidence they could see would they conclude Adam was two days old or would they conclude he must be closer to twenty or thirty years old?"

    You have already hypothesized that God may have created the Earth and everything on it 6,000 years ago, and made them appear to be whatever age he wanted them to. So I suppose if this were true, Adam would appear to be whatever age God wanted him to. I can't say I have any way of knowing what age that would be. Is this a trick question, because I don't understand what my answer could possibly prove?

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    Something I could never figure out. If Adam and Eve were really created by the Almighty, why did they have belly buttons? I thought navals were as a result of natural child birth?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve

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    Quote Originally Posted by HURRICANEBOB View Post
    Something I could never figure out. If Adam and Eve were really created by the Almighty, why did they have belly buttons? I thought navals were as a result of natural child birth?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve
    Never thought of that?? Kinds makes ya go hmmmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HURRICANEBOB View Post
    Something I could never figure out. If Adam and Eve were really created by the Almighty, why did they have belly buttons? I thought navals were as a result of natural child birth?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve
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    And why the big screw-up with the first wife then have to go to all the trouble making eve by removing a rib.... Seems like doing it right the first time shouldn't have been that difficult.

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    There are lots of strange contradictions in the Bible. Cain was marked so that nobody who found him would attack him. But he and Abel were the only two children of Adam and Eve, so where did all these other people that might have found him come from? And yes, as you mentioned, there is the strange thing with Adam's first wife. And yet people say that every word of the Bible is literally true. I don't see how anybody who has read it carefully can possibly say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadToad View Post
    There are lots of strange contradictions in the Bible. Cain was marked so that nobody who found him would attack him. But he and Abel were the only two children of Adam and Eve, so where did all these other people that might have found him come from? And yes, as you mentioned, there is the strange thing with Adam's first wife. And yet people say that every word of the Bible is literally true. I don't see how anybody who has read it carefully can possibly say that.
    Re-reading that, I'm sorry if it seems a little pejorative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadToad View Post
    There are lots of strange contradictions in the Bible. Cain was marked so that nobody who found him would attack him. But he and Abel were the only two children of Adam and Eve, so where did all these other people that might have found him come from? And yes, as you mentioned, there is the strange thing with Adam's first wife. And yet people say that every word of the Bible is literally true. I don't see how anybody who has read it carefully can possibly say that.
    No where in the Bible does it say Cain and Abel are the only two children of Adam and Eve. There was Seth too, and there were others.

    The idea of Adam having a wife before Eve isn't from the Bible either. I think the origin is a folktale of some sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HURRICANEBOB View Post
    Something I could never figure out. If Adam and Eve were really created by the Almighty, why did they have belly buttons? I thought navals were as a result of natural child birth?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve
    You have just done a wikipedia search and found a picture that was drawn by an artist who obviously gave no thought to the way their life began. I don't believe that Adam and Eve had belly buttons because they were created from the dust of the ground. Only a child born from a human mother is attached by an umbilical cord which dries up, falls off, and causes a belly button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcb View Post
    No where in the Bible does it say Cain and Abel are the only two children of Adam and Eve. There was Seth too, and there were others.

    The idea of Adam having a wife before Eve isn't from the Bible either. I think the origin is a folktale of some sort.
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    Actually in the creation story in the king james versions of the bible that I have read the story in, creation of the female reads like two different occurrences, the female was created in genesis 1 along with adam about the sixth day somewhere and then again in genesis 2 she was created from a rib taken from adam... I hope I have the locations of those stories correct, been a while since I have had reasons to look them up.... In some version of the king james bible the name of the first wife is contained but its not in all versions and is hard to locate but I have read it somewhere in the scriptures.

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    jcb's right, I was thinking of the myth of Lillith, which ain't in the Bible. I stand corrected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hlleonard View Post
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    Actually in the creation story in the king james versions of the bible that I have read the story in, creation of the female reads like two different occurrences, the female was created in genesis 1 along with adam about the sixth day somewhere and then again in genesis 2 she was created from a rib taken from adam... I hope I have the locations of those stories correct, been a while since I have had reasons to look them up.... In some version of the king james bible the name of the first wife is contained but its not in all versions and is hard to locate but I have read it somewhere in the scriptures.
    I think this is what you're thinking of. There are two accounts of the creation of woman.

    There's Genesis 1:27

    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Then there's Genesis 2:21-22

    21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

    22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

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