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    New Year.........Maybe after November........

    WE can get a New President..........

    I really, really miss leadership........


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    For all you guys who believe Mr. Regan was your Mohamed.
    This reads with a bit of a left twist and I haven't fact checked it
    but I do suspect at least most of it is true... if much of it is true
    you would have to be very foolish to want him back... Mr Regan
    kick started the budgetary crisis we have today.



    The taxation of Social Security began in 1984 following passage of a set of
    Amendments in 1983, which were signed into law by President Reagan in April
    1983. These amendments passed the Congress in 1983 on an overwhelmingly bi-
    partisan vote.

    The basic rule put in place was that up to 50% of Social Security benefits
    could be added to taxable income, if the taxpayer's total income exceeded
    certain thresholds.




    And while Reagan somewhat slowed the marginal rate of growth in the budget, it
    continued to increase during his time in office. So did the debt, skyrocketing
    from $700 billion to $3 trillion. Then there's the fact that after first
    pushing to cut Social Security benefits - and being stymied by Congress -
    Reagan in 1983 agreed to a $165 billion bailout of the program. He also
    massively expanded the Pentagon budget.




    It's important to note that Reagan's tax increases did not wipe out the
    effects of that initial tax cut. But they did eat up about half of it. And as
    Peter Beinart points out, the 1983 payroll tax hike went to pay for Social
    Security and Medicare. ("Reagan raised taxes to pay for government-run health
    care," Beinart writes.) Reagan also raised the gas tax and signed the largest
    corporate tax increase in history, an act Joshua Green writes would be
    "utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today."





    1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan
    “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till
    then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised
    taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two
    years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,”
    told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was
    there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas
    Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false
    mythology,” Brinkley said.

    2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan
    years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much
    as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a
    major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off
    precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase
    revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes
    just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on
    everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the
    deficit under control.

    3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped
    to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took
    years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income
    inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of
    unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the
    poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980′s did little help
    them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted
    for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,”
    the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.

    4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan
    promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway
    growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He
    bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set
    up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He
    promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and
    Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’
    Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000
    employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a
    level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

    5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of
    California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion
    laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for
    president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited
    all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once
    in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.

    6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y
    dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the
    president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear
    war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the
    Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,” the Washington Monthly noted. And
    Reagan’s military buildup was meant to crush the Soviet Union, but “also to
    put the United States in a stronger position from which to establish effective
    arms control” for the the entire world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice
    president, George H.W. Bush, when he became president.

    7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed
    into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before
    1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough
    sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before
    final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family
    members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major
    embarrassment for conservatives.

    8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S.
    officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an
    arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from
    the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua —
    something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When
    the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an
    enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials
    to resign.

    9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed
    sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country.
    Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan
    responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my
    veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague
    that country.”

    10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a
    proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding
    Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of
    dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to
    these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and
    Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these
    mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan
    remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to
    these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the
    Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s
    ascendancy.

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    You know............there will be those that continue to demonize Reagan. Have at it. He was probably the best president we've had in 100 years.......INCLUDING Kennedy......Ike, FDR...........

    Reagan was the man.

    I find it embarrassing that folks don't realize the growth and prosperity we had under Reagan, Bush, Bush. Clinton wasn't too bad, but Obama.........My GAWD folks.

    Later,

    Geo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlleonard View Post
    For all you guys who believe Mr. Regan was your Mohamed.
    This reads with a bit of a left twist and I haven't fact checked it
    but I do suspect at least most of it is true... if much of it is true
    you would have to be very foolish to want him back... Mr Regan
    kick started the budgetary crisis we have today.



    The taxation of Social Security began in 1984 following passage of a set of
    Amendments in 1983, which were signed into law by President Reagan in April
    1983. These amendments passed the Congress in 1983 on an overwhelmingly bi-
    partisan vote.

    The basic rule put in place was that up to 50% of Social Security benefits
    could be added to taxable income, if the taxpayer's total income exceeded
    certain thresholds.




    And while Reagan somewhat slowed the marginal rate of growth in the budget, it
    continued to increase during his time in office. So did the debt, skyrocketing
    from $700 billion to $3 trillion. Then there's the fact that after first
    pushing to cut Social Security benefits - and being stymied by Congress -
    Reagan in 1983 agreed to a $165 billion bailout of the program. He also
    massively expanded the Pentagon budget.




    It's important to note that Reagan's tax increases did not wipe out the
    effects of that initial tax cut. But they did eat up about half of it. And as
    Peter Beinart points out, the 1983 payroll tax hike went to pay for Social
    Security and Medicare. ("Reagan raised taxes to pay for government-run health
    care," Beinart writes.) Reagan also raised the gas tax and signed the largest
    corporate tax increase in history, an act Joshua Green writes would be
    "utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today."





    1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan
    “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till
    then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised
    taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two
    years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,”
    told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was
    there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas
    Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false
    mythology,” Brinkley said.

    2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan
    years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much
    as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a
    major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off
    precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase
    revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes
    just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on
    everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the
    deficit under control.

    3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped
    to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took
    years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income
    inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of
    unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the
    poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980′s did little help
    them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted
    for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,”
    the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.

    4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan
    promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway
    growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He
    bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set
    up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He
    promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and
    Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’
    Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000
    employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a
    level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

    5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of
    California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion
    laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for
    president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited
    all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once
    in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.

    6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y
    dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the
    president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear
    war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the
    Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,” the Washington Monthly noted. And
    Reagan’s military buildup was meant to crush the Soviet Union, but “also to
    put the United States in a stronger position from which to establish effective
    arms control” for the the entire world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice
    president, George H.W. Bush, when he became president.

    7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed
    into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before
    1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough
    sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before
    final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family
    members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major
    embarrassment for conservatives.

    8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S.
    officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an
    arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from
    the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua —
    something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When
    the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an
    enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials
    to resign.

    9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed
    sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country.
    Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan
    responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my
    veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague
    that country.”

    10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a
    proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding
    Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of
    dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to
    these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and
    Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these
    mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan
    remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to
    these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the
    Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s
    ascendancy.
    How about you simply post a link to the source.........Depending on who wrote it, it is either useful information or TOTAL HORSE ****........

    I suspect HORSE ****, based on how it is written. Once you post a source, I will determine from that.

    Later,

    Geo

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    How about you simply post a link to the source.........Depending on who wrote it, it is either useful information or TOTAL HORSE ****........

    I suspect HORSE ****, based on how it is written. Once you post a source, I will determine from that.

    Later,

    Geo
    --
    I suspect pretty much everything in that is not too hard to check out for someone who actually wants to know, most hardliners don't care what the truth is, they have a preconceived concept of Mr. Regan and aren't actually interested in whether or not he is the legend they believe him to be... And by the way Mr. Fisher, facts are facts regardless of who wrote them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlleonard View Post
    For all you guys who believe Mr. Regan was your Mohamed.
    This reads with a bit of a left twist and I haven't fact checked it
    but I do suspect at least most of it is true... if much of it is true
    you would have to be very foolish to want him back... Mr Regan
    kick started the budgetary crisis we have today.



    The taxation of Social Security began in 1984 following passage of a set of
    Amendments in 1983, which were signed into law by President Reagan in April
    1983. These amendments passed the Congress in 1983 on an overwhelmingly bi-
    partisan vote.

    The basic rule put in place was that up to 50% of Social Security benefits
    could be added to taxable income, if the taxpayer's total income exceeded
    certain thresholds.




    And while Reagan somewhat slowed the marginal rate of growth in the budget, it
    continued to increase during his time in office. So did the debt, skyrocketing
    from $700 billion to $3 trillion. Then there's the fact that after first
    pushing to cut Social Security benefits - and being stymied by Congress -
    Reagan in 1983 agreed to a $165 billion bailout of the program. He also
    massively expanded the Pentagon budget.




    It's important to note that Reagan's tax increases did not wipe out the
    effects of that initial tax cut. But they did eat up about half of it. And as
    Peter Beinart points out, the 1983 payroll tax hike went to pay for Social
    Security and Medicare. ("Reagan raised taxes to pay for government-run health
    care," Beinart writes.) Reagan also raised the gas tax and signed the largest
    corporate tax increase in history, an act Joshua Green writes would be
    "utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today."





    1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan
    “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till
    then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised
    taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two
    years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,”
    told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was
    there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas
    Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false
    mythology,” Brinkley said.

    2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan
    years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much
    as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a
    major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off
    precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase
    revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes
    just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on
    everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the
    deficit under control.

    3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped
    to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took
    years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income
    inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of
    unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the
    poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980′s did little help
    them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted
    for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,”
    the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.

    4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan
    promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway
    growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He
    bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set
    up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He
    promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and
    Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’
    Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000
    employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a
    level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

    5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of
    California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion
    laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for
    president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited
    all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once
    in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.

    6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y
    dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the
    president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear
    war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the
    Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,” the Washington Monthly noted. And
    Reagan’s military buildup was meant to crush the Soviet Union, but “also to
    put the United States in a stronger position from which to establish effective
    arms control” for the the entire world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice
    president, George H.W. Bush, when he became president.

    7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed
    into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before
    1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough
    sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before
    final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family
    members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major
    embarrassment for conservatives.

    8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S.
    officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an
    arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from
    the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua —
    something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When
    the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an
    enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials
    to resign.

    9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed
    sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country.
    Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan
    responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my
    veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague
    that country.”

    10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a
    proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding
    Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of
    dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to
    these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and
    Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these
    mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan
    remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to
    these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the
    Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s
    ascendancy.
    Oh no, no, no Mr. Hlleoard, say it isn't so, say it isn't true, not the late great mr trickle down, he wouldn't do that, not him he would never do that, he loved the working man to much. just say it ain't so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    How about you simply post a link to the source.........Depending on who wrote it, it is either useful information or TOTAL HORSE ****........

    I suspect HORSE ****, based on how it is written. Once you post a source, I will determine from that.

    Later,

    Geo
    the same could be said for who, put the splices of Video together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    You know............there will be those that continue to demonize Reagan. Have at it. He was probably the best president we've had in 100 years.......INCLUDING Kennedy......Ike, FDR...........

    Reagan was the man.

    I find it embarrassing that folks don't realize the growth and prosperity we had under Reagan, Bush, Bush. Clinton wasn't too bad, but Obama.........My GAWD folks.

    Later,

    Geo
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    Folks are going to believe what they want to believe regardless of what the facts may or may not be... Mr. Regan gave us a strong military but a budgetary nightmare we will never get out from under.
    debt at the end of George Bush jr. presidency, over 10 trillion dollars amount of that debt owned by republicans, over 8 trillion dollars... The president we have now is spending money like a drunken sailor but he is by no means the first or the worst..at least not yet... your hero raised the debt limit 16 or 17 times while he was in office yet raising the debt limit today to you guys is the most evil thing a president can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterdog101 View Post
    the same could be said for who, put the splices of Video together.
    You are SO true.....but at least it is the source........

    I simply want the source to the propaganda, so I can determine it's value.

    Later,

    Geo

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    Facts aren't hard to check out, you just have to wade through the BS to get there but the facts are usually the same regardless of which source they came from.... You can go to extremes to call the debt justified regardless of your affiliation but the numbers will mostly be the same.

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    How many?

    How many of you guys worked during Rons presidency?I I did, it wasn't the utopia many of those conservative pundits claim it was. He would never have been elected again. if hinckly had not shot him. I have always said he was a president, not the worst and not the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterdog101 View Post
    Oh no, no, no Mr. Hlleoard, say it isn't so, say it isn't true, not the late great mr trickle down, he wouldn't do that, not him he would never do that, he loved the working man to much. just say it ain't so.
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    lol... you will have to get Mr. Fisher to check it out and tell you that.... I believe Mr. Regan did us more damage than good.

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