Is there a trickle up policy?

[DJD]

I keep hearing about trickle down economics but what's the alternative? You old guys errrrr older guys (I'm 50 and some say that's old!) keep bringing it up so what's the alternative? My basic understanding of TD is tax breaks for the wealthy and the investments they make in the world and their business, with their money, things they buy etc...help the economy. That's not to say the rest of us can't make money it's just describing what the "rich" get.

So is the alternative to give breaks to the poor? The middle class? Who? The poor deserves what kind of breaks and who is poor? Does a family who may be supported 75-100% by tax payers need a break? Not sure how much more of a break you can give to someone getting money free of charge. How about lower, middle and upper middle class? Maybe better interest rates on loans? That works for me but when the banks and lenders were told to issue more subprime loans to unqualified people look at what happened.

So what is the alternative to TD? Is it Obama-nomics? That sure seems like a flop doesn't it? Here on one hand he says trickle down didn't work but didn't he bail out some rich corporations? If he was so pro poor and middle class why didn't all of us tax payers get a huge check?? Wouldn't that be a step in practicing what he preaches? That's trickle up isn't it?? Give to the non "rich" and let us reinvest the money....I'm still waiting on my Obama check.

Giving my tax dollars to GM and all those idiots didn't put money in my pocket..did it yours?? Doesn't he allow tax breaks to rich folks? Is spending more money than any man alive with the promise of saving our economy the way? I think that fell short as well. His lofty overinflated goals of unemployment rate targets were off.

is raising the minimum wage a start in the right direction? Hmmm maybe I really haven't put a lot of thought into that. Is mandating a healthcare plan that requires us to be taxed more by our gubment the way to prosperity?? I have to ask who prospers when I give more and more of my money away to the gubment? Seems like wealth distribution. Is that the answer to TD?? Just take take take from anyone who has money and try to water down the playing field to were we are all making about the same money regardless of effort?? Is that it?? Sounds like a union attitude to me.

The only thing I see that should be done is less gubment intrusion, less gubment, restrict their powers since they are suppose to work for us, cut WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY back of foreign aid and even some of these bogus programs we have here in this country, gut the union ties on gubment, flat tax or whatever it can be called so people pay a set percentage equally and tons of other items that basically get people to be responsible for their actions and not have 10 lawyers to help them get out of trouble. I'm talking about all crimes top to bottom...you rip off the American people as an elected official your done and in jail. Of course congress and the potus would be in jail but hey do the crime do the time.

In all seriousness I have zero faith in anything in politics being 100% transparent. It's to corrupt. I don't care if it's from the left or right someone is getting paid off. The sad part is we always have to pick the lessor of two evils and the two evils have built such a strong fortress around themselves that it's going to take an exceptional leader at the perfect time in history to get us back on path and Obama sure wasn't close to that as some fools thought.

[waterdog101]

theres no need to try trickle up, give trickle down a chance to work, it's only been in effect 34 years.

[Hlleonard]

I don't believe there is an answer that will keep our country the place we grew up and believe to be the best place to live... There is only one thing in the entire Mitt Romney campaign that I agreed with, don't remember the exact quote but something to the effect of not worrying about the poor because there will always be poor or something like that... I don't believe we can do much about that part of our society as far as changing their lives a great deal, there will always be poor due to choices they make or by happenstance... I believe the reason we have a great country is the middle class, I do believe shrinking paychecks in the middle class will eventually break the back of our country, I believe the middle class is losing resources to the upper class and the end result will be a country of just the rich and the poor like so many other countries on the planet and I doubt there is anything we can do about it... You guys are always harping about "spread the wealth", it seems to me anything you pay in taxes or anything else would fit in that category, paying someone to do something for you seems to be doing that.. If we can't find a way to "spread the wealth" in a way that results in a stronger middle class and a stronger economy then its unlikely we will last very far into the future as the country we are today.

Everybody hates unions, union members feed their families, don't as a rule need welfare, pay taxes, shrinking unions result in lower wages and more dependence on government handouts, not exactly sure why that is a better situation as some of you guys think.

[Devils Horse]

theres no need to try trickle up, give trickle down a chance to work, it's only been in effect 34 years.

Since Jimmy Carter version 1.0, 27 of those years have been pretty damned good economically.

Not so much under Jimmy Carter Version 2.0 with far left code updates. Deficit government spending EVERY year since he took office, historic 17+ trillion dollar debt, historic 92 million people unemployed (the unemployment rate reported by the fed is a joke), health care insurance costs skyrocketing, historic numbers of people receiving government assistance, etc, etc,etc.

Try and obscure them with BS, but hard facts speak for themselves.

Hold on now...wait for it...here it comes...wait for it....

IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

[Hlleonard]

Since Jimmy Carter version 1.0, 27 of those years have been pretty damned good economically.

Not so much under Jimmy Carter Version 2.0 with far left code updates. Deficit government spending EVERY year since he took office, historic 17+ trillion dollar debt, historic 92 million people unemployed (the unemployment rate reported by the fed is a joke), health care insurance costs skyrocketing, historic numbers of people receiving government assistance, etc, etc,etc.

Try and obscure them with BS, but hard facts speak for themselves.

Hold on now...wait for it...here it comes...wait for it....

IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

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Hmmm.... It does seem to me the 27 good years you speak of since Mr Carter resulted in a debt of under a trillion dollars ballooning to a debt of over 10 trillion and a constantly shrinking middle class... If the slow erosion of the middle class seems to you like "pretty damned good economically" then we seem to have a very different view of what "pretty damned good economically" means... I agree we had a good 27 year run but the result of not paying for all the government that was added starting ...let me see... must have been around 1980, so the rich could get richer at the cost of the rest of was anything but good economics... The republican agenda over that time started a down slide that I don't believe we can ever overcome.

[Devils Horse]

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Hmmm.... It does seem to me the 27 good years you speak of since Mr Carter resulted in a debt of under a trillion dollars ballooning to a debt of over 10 trillion and a constantly shrinking middle class... If the slow erosion of the middle class seems to you like "pretty damned good economically" then we seem to have a very different view of what "pretty damned good economically" means... I agree we had a good 27 year run but the result of not paying for all the government that was added starting ...let me see... must have been around 1980, so the rich could get richer at the cost of the rest of was anything but good economics... The republican agenda over that time started a down slide that I don't believe we can ever overcome.

Those talking points are the exact BS I was referring to. You been watching that Democrat fount of information and fact obfuscation, Jay Carney again?

Sorry, I meant IT'S ALL THE REPUBLICANS' FAULT!

Better?

[DJD]

theres no need to try trickle up, give trickle down a chance to work, it's only been in effect 34 years.

Ohhh I thought you had an idea seeing as you spout off about it all the time. Didn't you earn your living and retirement during this time frame?? Was it so bad that you were held down and couldn't make a living? Retire?

[DJD]

I don't believe there is an answer that will keep our country the place we grew up and believe to be the best place to live... There is only one thing in the entire Mitt Romney campaign that I agreed with, don't remember the exact quote but something to the effect of not worrying about the poor because there will always be poor or something like that... I don't believe we can do much about that part of our society as far as changing their lives a great deal, there will always be poor due to choices they make or by happenstance... I believe the reason we have a great country is the middle class, I do believe shrinking paychecks in the middle class will eventually break the back of our country, I believe the middle class is losing resources to the upper class and the end result will be a country of just the rich and the poor like so many other countries on the planet and I doubt there is anything we can do about it... You guys are always harping about "spread the wealth", it seems to me anything you pay in taxes or anything else would fit in that category, paying someone to do something for you seems to be doing that.. If we can't find a way to "spread the wealth" in a way that results in a stronger middle class and a stronger economy then its unlikely we will last very far into the future as the country we are today.

Everybody hates unions, union members feed their families, don't as a rule need welfare, pay taxes, shrinking unions result in lower wages and more dependence on government handouts, not exactly sure why that is a better situation as some of you guys think.

I don't think there is one single answer or fix what we area facing either. I don't think Obama and the liberal party know what to do even though they said they could turn it around so quickly.

Also, I thought Obama said no taxes on the middle class? Of course that's not true. Spread the wealth is a phrase used by all politicians not just people on here. Just grouping it as taxes as usual seems like a copout to me.

Didn't many unions get an exemption from obamacare? My UPS driver friend said that the Teamsters are not required to be a part of it...maybe he is right.

I do hate the unions because of what I experience with working around their ideas. Every time I see a bid and have to toss in $52 an hour to pay our guys it sickens me. Nothing gets done any better at $52 an hour compared to their usual of $20-25 an hour. Just a waste of tax payers dollars.

[Hlleonard]

Those talking points are the exact BS I was referring to. You been watching that Democrat fount of information and fact obfuscation, Jay Carney again?

Sorry, I meant IT'S ALL THE REPUBLICANS' FAULT!

Better?

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Which part of all that wasn't true?... was the 8 trillion dollars added to the debt during the reagan,bush1,bush11 not the fault of those three guys?

[Devils Horse]

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Which part of all that wasn't true?... was the 8 trillion dollars added to the debt during the reagan,bush1,bush11 not the fault of those three guys?

Sure it's their fault.

Can you acknowledge that the 9+ trillion added to the debt (more than the 3 you mention put together) is the fault of Mr. Obama then? Or do you want to blame that on Mr. Bush like the candidates you support do?

Your argument is typical of the Democrats and their supporters. Rather than answer for the abysmal job the Democrat majority has done since Mr. Obama took office, they just try to show how bad past Republicans were.

That is the BS tactic I referred to, and it happens constantly.

For example the President is doing everything within his power now to get people's focus off the Democrat party's ACA train wreck, the thrust of his state of the union speech is expected to be income inequality. Are you kidding me?

[Hlleonard]

Sure it's their fault.

Can you acknowledge that the 9+ trillion added to the debt (more than the 3 you mention put together) is the fault of Mr. Obama then? Or do you want to blame that on Mr. Bush like the candidates you support do?

Your argument is typical of the Democrats and their supporters. Rather than answer for the abysmal job the Democrat majority has done since Mr. Obama took office, they just try to show how bad past Republicans were.

That is the BS tactic I referred to, and it happens constantly.

For example the President is doing everything within his power now to get people's focus off the Democrat party's ACA train wreck, the thrust of his state of the union speech is expected to be income inequality. Are you kidding me?

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Yes sir, everything this president does is his responsibility the same as his predecessors and he is by no means a golden child... I don't believe I have defended any of his policies, he is just another in the line of presidents who seems to think it isn't necessary to pay for government programs but he is by no means the first or the worst (so far) in that line and I doubt he will catch Mr Reagan and might not catch Bush11 in the big spender category... For the right wing to call themselves conservatives and then attempt to crucify this president on his budget policies after increasing the debt by a factor or 8 or so in 27 years as you say is laughable.

[GeoFisher]

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Yes sir, everything this president does is his responsibility the same as his predecessors and he is by no means a golden child... I don't believe I have defended any of his policies, he is just another in the line of presidents who seems to think it isn't necessary to pay for government programs but he is by no means the first or the worst (so far) in that line and I doubt he will catch Mr Reagan and might not catch Bush11 in the big spender category... For the right wing to call themselves conservatives and then attempt to crucify this president on his budget policies after increasing the debt by a factor or 8 or so in 27 years as you say is laughable.

He has ALREADY surpassed both of them combined.

What is laughable is the idiocy in your post.

SAD.

Later,

Geo