OMG Motor Costs

[vausoner]

Then buy a focus.

[sweetwater]

Then buy a focus.

Q. Do you know how to double the value of a Ford Focus?

A. Fill the tank with gas.

[vausoner]

Hahaha

[GeoFisher]

You know, I'm a GIGANTIC free market guy, and I honestly believe market forces determine these types of costs, but you have to wonder.....

A motor is a motor. And the basic methodology and mechanical components are the same for an outboard and other engines. Sure there are systems that are clearly different, but overall, a motor is a motor is a motor.

If that IS the case, then why in the world is there not an effective startup that could sell outboards at half what the other motors cost?

That being said........I also believe that there is some creative price fixing going on.......

Later,

Geo

[GeoFisher]

I read this on another site, and had to post it here:

As I read I chuckle a little... Doesn't anyone really know? Some are one the right track, like added R&d cost, it's a hobby or luxury... But have you ever looked at the parts inside a marine engine? Have you ever wondered why the old 2 strokes lasted so long? The engines are built better. Car/truck engines use a sleeve type bearing, but marine or at least the old ones used all roller bearings. There's is quite a large price difference in the base cost of the the bearings as well and the set machine set up for the rod caps and journals. And as long as those old bears get oil and don't over heat they are going to last! They were made with all good quality chrome. You will also notice they are sitting in water all the time so everything has to corrosion resist, and they try to use metals that will resist electrolysis due to metals alkalids or calcum in the water. All this goes into R&d as they try to make sure they build a tuff engine that hold up,the crappy fuel regulations the EPA keeps pushing with ethonal, in with a gas engine is not designed to run with added maintance... theres a reasone race cars use it and street cars don't!
Making engines lighter, also means using a alloy that is stronger, a and that means trying to match metals that have similar expansion and contraction rates so you don't have issues with gaskets blowing and bolts pulling threads like some of the auto makers have with there great ideas!
All this adds up, and yes add that to a luxury and you get $$$$.$$ X2!
No hobby is cheap, if you do find one let me know cuz I sure would like to know how keep my wife off my back! Lol

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[TimE]

You know, I'm a GIGANTIC free market guy, and I honestly believe market forces determine these types of costs, but you have to wonder.....

A motor is a motor. And the basic methodology and mechanical components are the same for an outboard and other engines. Sure there are systems that are clearly different, but overall, a motor is a motor is a motor.

If that IS the case, then why in the world is there not an effective startup that could sell outboards at half what the other motors cost?

That being said........I also believe that there is some creative price fixing going on.......

Later,

Geo

Sure price fixing is going on. I'm not sure how much longer it will last though.

[sweetwater]

-New 200 HP Yamaha outboard made on an assembly line with mostly OEM parts. $16,000

-New 950 HP Sprint Cup car engine hand build buy a professional engine builder with practically every part being custom made and X-rayed for defects before assembly. $120,000


-Considering what you get and comparing the amount of R&D cost for each the outboard is very expensive.

[Dobe Mejuwa]

-New 200 HP Yamaha outboard made on an assembly line with mostly OEM parts. $16,000

-New 950 HP Sprint Cup car engine hand build buy a professional engine builder with practically every part being custom made and X-rayed for defects before assembly. $120,000


-Considering what you get and comparing the amount of R&D cost for each the outboard is very expensive.

Yea buddy! And here's what's going on my pontoon boat:
"​8000 hp Funny Car 426 Hemi Extreme Engine

This is the engine in Scott Kalitta's Funny Car. No chrome plate or polishing here, only highly sophisticated, hard-working components engineered with one mission: getting down the track in less than five seconds at well over 300 mph. From the ballistic blower blanket to the oil pan, a TF/FC engine represents an investment of around $100,000, according to crewchief Jim O. "

[sweetwater]

Yea buddy! And here's what's going on my pontoon boat:
"​8000 hp Funny Car 426 Hemi Extreme Engine

This is the engine in Scott Kalitta's Funny Car. No chrome plate or polishing here, only highly sophisticated, hard-working components engineered with one mission: getting down the track in less than five seconds at well over 300 mph. From the ballistic blower blanket to the oil pan, a TF/FC engine represents an investment of around $100,000, according to crewchief Jim O. "

Are you planning on rebuilding the engine after every 1000 ft. run like they do in NHRA events? Lol.

Rest in peace Scott Kalitta, 2/18/1962 – 6/21/2008

[adam7456]

With all the advances in technology and machining motors should be getting a lot cheaper not a lot more expensive. I'm sure EPA regulations are adding to some of the cost but as others pointed out the mechanics of a motor haven't changed in a very long time while materials and manufacturing has. Right now a company is selling new 110 CC 4 wheelers for under $500. They have electric start, 4 cycle, automatic transmissions, reverse and a remote kill switch. Boat motors don't even have a transmission. The 110cc comes out to about 7.5hp but try to buy a new 4 stroke 8HP boat motor for under $500. You can't. A new 8hp 4 stroke Mercury starts at $2,000. Yet for $500 you get a complete 4 wheeler. The shock on the 4 wheeler is probably worse than the boat. The only difference is the 4 wheeler motor wouldn't have marine grade components but that isn't going to cost $1,500.

[Shellkat]

Why stuff costs so much? Answer: Because they can sell it for that amount.
Just like gas,oil is cheaper now but gas isnt,down by pennies ,up by 30-40 cents

[Dobe Mejuwa]

Q. Do you know how to double the value of a Ford Focus?

A. Fill the tank with gas.

Naw....I think it would only take 1/2 a tank :-)

Do you know how to equip a 1967 Mustang with a passenger side airbag?

Take your mother in law for a ride.