Hypothetical conversation in Obama's so called "war room".Originally Posted by GeoFisher
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Hypothetical conversation in Obama's so called "war room".
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Well,I can tell you guys what my nephew who served 2 tours in Iraq and 3 tours in Afghanistan told me,he made the highest Non-com position he could get in the 101st Airborne,Staff Sargent I believe and then was in the CIA in South Korea to finish his 20 years out.
I forgot the province and area in Afghanistan they were in,but the base was under constant attack by Taliban,anytime they went out in convoys they were not allowed to engage these muslim pos just for being shot at unless they used heavy guns or bombs.It was like they were shot at all the time and Obama had their hands tied from fighting back.
Most everyone here knows I've been spewing my hate for Obama and the Traitor Liberals since 2008,but finally people are seeing what that Traitor is/has done to this country,and if we let these so called refugees in our country,we will see war and bloodshed among our children and on our streets.These Islamists only know one thing,to further there cause and they are taught to Lie,Cheat,Steal,Rape,Murder,and do anything against non-believers/infidels.
They DONOT come here to be Free Americans,they come here to take over and change our country.
The only way these people will stop and there are no good ones,they are ll included ,is to kill so many of them back into their caves until it takes another 100 years for their conquest again.
Obama already moved Somalian Muslims into Kentucky secretly when that country banned Islam,I know because there are dozens of them in Butler and Falmouth here in Pendleton County,imagine that a 99.9% White Farming County with these radical Muslims in our small towns of under 2500 people.They are already causing trouble,crying didcrimination against anyone who speaks out against them,causing good Americans to lose the precious few jobs here,complaining about people cooking pork,Christian Holidays,and any other reason they can sue or attack us over,My guns are all ready and ammo stored,just a matter of time.
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That is the problem. They are holding regular Syrians as hostages hiding behind women's dresses etc. If we were to bomb the town to the ground like some want then we would be killing a lot of innocent people who have nothing to do with ISIS and are at the mercy of ISIS right now. Those are the millions of regular Syrians who have been under the dictatorship of President Asad and are not being controlled by ISIS militants.
What's needed to take them out if boots on the ground and some kick ass US Military guys to go house to house and wipe them out. That's going to cost millions of dollars to do and many American lives will be lost not to mention the wounded warriors who will be coming back home with a few less legs and arms or serious brain injuries from IED. And IED is as effective or more effective as an unguided bomb with no laser to guide it onto a good target. The IED doesn't go off until there is a target to destroy and it ends up killing a lot of our guys while they are trying to hold onto territory that we captured. Iraq is a good example. When we went after Saddam the Iraqi soldiers took off their uniforms and went underground. The Sunni's were the ones that supported Saddam. Now they are fighting the Iraqi Government which is mostly Shea Muslims supported by IRAN. You remember Iran .. the guys that took over the US Embassy and held our diplomats hostage for over a year. After WWII the winners of the war screwed up and didn't divide the middle eastern terrorities along political religious lines but instead used artificial lines in the sand that no one living them went by. So Iraq had the Kurds, Sunni and Shea Muslims to contend with and the civil war broke out after we pulled out. And even while we kept our troops in Iraq there were many soldiers being killed by IED's all the time. Just as Germany could not contain the allied resistance fighters we can't control the differnet factions in Iraq even with 100,000 US troops. This is why many of the Western Cities in Iraq fell to ISIS so quickly. Sunni welcomed the other Sunni's ISIS back home and so it goes.
I agree that we must do something to stop these bombings in Paris and other places but what do we do is the big question. And wiping entire towns out with air strikes has not done the job. And I doubt it's going to work. You need a combination of air power and ground forces to do this job. And even then they may all go back into hiding and then wait until we leave again before this all starts up again.
Genocide would be the only real solution but the world will not stand for that. For then we would be just like Hitler was and who wants to do that? Certainly not me.
Something needs to be done. Instead of trying to kill all these ISIS guys would it not be better to give them some land of their own where they can live how they want to and leave us alone? War has proven to only provoke them more and it's costing us our freedoms that we used to enjoy. We use to be able to get on an airplane or train and not have to worry about the plane or train being blown up by some suicide bombers. What is that worth to you? Being able to ride on an airplane or train again without fear of dying by suicide bombers?
I certainly don't have the answer and so far what we have been doing it not really workout too good. We can't kill them all and the more we kill the more they recruit to take their place. There are billions of them and that's the problem. That is why this fight over religion and territory has been going on for THOUSANDS of years now. The Crusades were a big part of this in the 1300's.
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when I read some post on here, I wonder about some of you guys, saying kill them all, turn the sand to glass, bomb them back to the stone age, I just don't think like that, I've heard guys that spent time in Iraq say, the Muslim people treated him nice, let him in their home and feed him, he said most were people just trying to make it through life caring for their familys, if isis was all in a big group, I would be all for blasting their murdering hides to wherever they would end up, but they are a small precentage of a large population, so they mix with the population making it easier for them to survive, as evil as they are, they know anyone with a heart, isn't going to bomb a large population of innocent people, if you lived in a subdivision of 400 houses and it was known that one house was dealing in drugs and bad for the community, do you think they should just drop a bomb and kill everyone in the subdivision to get the drug dealers. thats about what it sounds like reading some post on dealing with isis, when the people in the middle east, see that the best way to stop isis is for them to do it, and keep all foreign troops out of their country, then the end result will be better. and if isis slips in this country and targets and kills a few people, or a few hundred people, it would be bad, so would sending troops there going door to door, there could be a few hundred or thousands of American troops killed, and for what, just to show the world America has a strong arm, if the rich Kings of Saudi Arabia don't want isis to be sitting in their king seat, then let them spend the billions the have from robbing the world with their high oil prices, and use their jets and troops to deal with isis. here are some serious death numbers that we don't think twice about, in the USA there were 32,000 people killed in car crashes in 2013, and 36,00 in the usa alone die from the flu each year.
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Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki........
YOU DO what is necessary to destroy evil.......The world did it in the past , and the world needs to do it again.
Do you think ISIS gives two shits about collateral damage. They would KILL you and every one of your **** neighbors, and enslave your woman.
this political correct bull freakin **** that we started in the 60's and 70's, will eventually DESTROY the world.
Wake the frick up and destroy evil, before EVIL ( ISIS) Destroys you.........simple.
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Geo
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I hope you think long and hard about that again. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and yell "Nuke'm" but if you were sitting in the Oval office with millions of lives in your hands I'd hope you would rethink your position and not be so rash.
Things of Changed ever since we dropped the last Atomic Bomb on Japan. Back then we were the only nation with atomic bombs. That's not true today. And pay backs can be a bitch I'm told. You didn't give your thoughts on Russian and all the Nuclear weapons that they have pointed at our homeland and other military bases and such. Actions have consequences.
I wish that we were the only nation still having Atomic Weapons as the world would be a lot different now. But we can't keep secrets in this country very well. We are still developing the F35 Stealth Fighter and China already went into the factory computers and stole the blueprints for that plane right out from under our noses. We are not very good and protecting our new found discoveries. We dropped the first Atomic Bomb back in 1945 and by 1947 or there about the Russians had already stolen the plans and were making their own atomic bombs. Back then as today we still are the subject of spies and thieves stealing or best laid plans and planes. We are not as strong as we would like to think that we are. There are other's around the world and maybe beyond this world that are just as capable or stronger than we are. We need to learn to live with these other people as you and I both well know they could destroy us in a heart beat just as we could do the same to them.
I'm not sure how old you are George or if you lived though the Cuban Missile Crisis but I was there hiding under my desk as were all the other little kids in my grade school when the Russian Nuclear Submarines were just about ready to fire that nuclear torpedo and start WWIII back in 1960. Even back then at only 8 or 9 years old I was smart enough to figure out that bending over and kissing my ass good bye was about the only thing I could do. I never felt so helpless as that day. We watched the ships on the TV screen at school as the major news media TV stations broadcast what was happing with the US Ships blockading the Cuban Island and turning those Soviet Ships carrying more nuclear missiles to Cuba. Cuba already had Soviet Advisors on that island and there were already several nuclear missiles ready to fire. Those missiles were only a few minutes away from the US Shores.
And today the Russians, China, Pakistan and North Korea and possibly Iran have nukes and missiles that could help destroy the entire world. And you casually sit there at your computer and yell! Nuke'm!!?????
Do you realize how touchy the middle east situation is today? I mean we have Russian Troops and airfield and anti aircraft missile sitting in Syria as well as Russian Naval Vessels off the Coast of Syria in the Mediterranean Sea and then also in the Black Sea with cruise missiles capable of hitting targets hundreds of miles away. We have Russian Bombers testing the limits of NATO's defense more frequently now that during the Cold War years.
Many things have changed since we Nuked Japan over 70 years ago.
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A Russian Su24 was shot down over Turkish Air Space according to Turkey. The Russians claim that their Su24 was shot down by anti aircraft cannons but Turkey claims that their F15's shoot the Russian Jet Down. Two Russian Pilots are missing.
These are the type of things that can start the beginning of WWIII. Now is not the time to act like a bully! What will Russia's Putin Do now? Russian planes have been violating Turkish Air Space ever since they started building up their forces in Syria. Turkey being a member of NATO will have to be defended by the USA and all the other NATO allies if Russia retaliates against Turkey.
This situation in Syria and Iraq is going to be a disaster sooner rather than later. See what the Chicken Hawks in the Bush Administration have started? They were foolish to take out Saddam and opened up a big can of worms over there in the Sand dunes of Iraq. Isis is nothing more than the remains of the Sunni Army that Saddam had supporting him. This religion fight over who rules the Muslin Religion is going to be hard to contain. Iran on the one hand is ruling Iraq now were before we had Rumsfeld's shaking hands with Saddam and backing him in the war against Iran and now we have the US backing Iran and the Shea's against the Sunni ISIS fighters. The only people benefiting from these wars are the arms dealers and manufactures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaP7ZrmkcuU
God help us all if we ever do get into a Shooting War using Nukes. Hopefully this conflict in Syria and now Iraq and also Turkey can be settled without resorting to escalating the war.
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Link to shooting down the Russian plane
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/middle...der/index.html
I tried to add this to my last post but it would not work.
Turkey and Russia could have a go at it now. Putin calls this a Stab in the back.
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Yep, lets just compare apples and unicorns, again ....
Geo, you are the one who needs to wake the frick up. What you suggest is akin to a couple of bank robbers taking a bunch of people hostage during a robbery, and then the police leveling the bank to kill the two robbers. Brilliant move.
I agree 100% that Isis needs to be destroyed. However, there is no way to just bomb the hell out of them like the US did with Japan in WWII. Isis is not a country. They are an organization that can be found in a number of locations. Sure, you find a training camp or other facility, I'm all for launching a few cruise missiles or carpet bombing to destroy them. Carpet bombing a whole city in the hopes of killing a few Isis pukes, not so much.
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Apples and unicorns......really.
OK, since you're really slow, I will break it down.
Not every GERMAN was a NAZI, yet, we firebombed Dresden.
Not every Japanese was an IMPERIALIST, yet, we firebombed Tokyo and we NUKED Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Sometimes you DO what is necessary to end evil...simple.
If we don't CRUSH this, and CRUSH it so it never festers again, we will be using extreme measures, in an extreme method in the very near future. It is called PRE EMPTIVE for a freakin reason....
Oh, BTW, ISIS Stands for Islamic STATE, so therefore the "caliphate" or area currently occupied by the "state" is a NATION STATE......
Destroy it......and I would not do it with carpet bombing.....I'd use theater NUKES......
Later,
Geo
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George: Now you are changing things around. My concern was about using Nukes and the possibility of getting into a shooting war with some other countries that also have nukes. Back during WWII we didn't have that worry. So who's slow? If you didn't get that point then I'm not sure what can be said to get that point though to you.
I'm not against trying to destroy ISIS but how do we destroy a thought that spreads through out the middle east the more we attack it? The more we do to bomb isis the more they are able to recruit new people to fight us. We act aggressively and it promotes people to join ISIS not the other way around.
Now we can bomb the trucks that they are using to haul the oil that give them money to support their war. That is the smartest thing we can do right now. They are not all in one city and we can't bomb an entire city as there are other civilian there and that's not going to happen. This is not WWII where German Submarines are at our doorstep and torpedoing American Merchant Ships within sight of Jersey City. ISIS didn't bomb Pearl Harbor. WWII was totally different and fought on a much larger scale. Every able bodied man joined the war effort during WWII in the 1940. Things were much different then. No Nuclear Tipped Missiles with multi warheads that could target different targets with just one missile. We didn't have the Russian with thousands of nuclear missiles that could reach our cities in 30 minutes and destroy most all of us. WWII was fought with pistol powered airplanes and none of them could easily cross the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean and get to use easily. It was a totally different Era. We didn't have the internet then nor the super highways that we have today. We didn't have massive air craft carries that were loaded with Modern day Jet Fighters.
We bombed German Towns because the German Airforce was bombing London England and other places in England such as the air fields and the radar stations. German U boats were sinking our ships and those of our allies. They invaded Russian and went almost to Moscow but were stopped. And at that time we were allied with the Russians if you remember your history correctly. Things were different in the pacific too. Japan was running wild thoughout the South Pacific and were poised to invade Australia until the battle of the Coral Sea ended their progression. Japan had a modern day by 1940 standards Navy and was using it to wrech havoc thought the Pacific Ocean. German U boats made it to our shores in 1942 and some of the German Battle Ships were running wild thoughout the oceans destroying merchant vessels with ease until they were hunted down.
ISIS doesn't even have a NAVY nor do they have an Air Force. They don't really have an Army per se. All they have is a bunch of doped up ill trained militants who are gaining small territories because the Iraqi Army was so wear and just turned away and ran. We took out Saddam and left a vacuum in the middle east that the Sunni Muslims have taken advantage of. But they have not taken over the Pacific or the Atlantic Oceans nor are they really threatening America or France for that matter. Yea they blew up a few places with some home made bombs but we have had our own people do worst that that to the USA. Remember Timothy McVey?
ISIS is an annoyance and we are spending way to much money on trying to destroy these idiots and religious zelots.
This is a job for the Special Forces and a few quick bomb runs to destroy what little infra structure Isis has to make money for themselves. This is not WWIII by any means.... YET.
However my main point was not the fight with ISIS as that's not really that big of a deal. But my point was that if we are not careful and get into a shooting war with Russia over President Assad in Syria then that could lead to much bigger problems.
Yesterday with the downing of the Russian Su24 jet and the loss of two of Russia's pilots by Turkish F15's a bigger war might break out if we are not all careful.
So trying to compare our fight with ISIS and WWII is just plain juvenile.
BTW: Most all Germans living in German were forced into supporting the NAZIS. They may not have liked it but the didn't dare try to go against the SS or they would have been shot. Same with the Japanese. If we would have invaded Japan every Japanese man woman and child would have been fighting us. And I think that we saved a lot of American Soldier's Lives by using the Atomic Bomb on those two Japanese Cities. Millions more American's would have died trying to end the War with Japan in the Pacific if not for the use of the two atomic Bombs. But those days are over now that we are not the only Country with Atomic Bombs. We have other countries that can now do the very same thing to us that we did to Japan. And I sure hope that no one ever resorts to using Nuclear Weapons again.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/25/politi...tal/index.html
This is not WWII anymore. This is modern day warfare where a weaker enemy without air cover or surface to air missile defenses using HUMAN SHIELDS to hide behind. And when we hit places that have innocent civilians there it's on the news 24 seven in just minutes these days. Thanks to things like the Internet and U Tube and small Digital Video cameras. The fallout of bombing civilians is negative for use and helps the enemy gain more recruits to fight us. We look like the big bad bully and no one likes to see a bully picking on the little people. They gain the sympathy vote and we look like the bully ever time we accidentally bomb a hospital or school with kids in it.
We won't win the battle of the minds by bombing innocent people in Hospitals and Schools. But this is where our weaker (militarily speaking) enemy hides. I didn't say that they were stupid. They can't use airplanes to bomb us but they can and do use suicide vest to bomb our cities and towns. They have their own type of Smart Bomb that is very accurate and effective. And they don't care if they kill our Civilians. But do we stoop down to their level? According to you we should. I'm not quite there yet. I'm all for killing those militants that are planning to bomb our people but again how to you bomb just them and not the innocent people. I'm not at all for killing innocent people. I don't like that idea in the first place and secondly I think it only backfires on us and make more people angry at the USA instead of making them friends. Not all Muslims are terrorists.
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