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    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post
    Trump's ties to Putin are obvious when you see that they are two of a kind. Both can't be trusted. Both are blatant liars and cheats. Both are scoundrels.
    You cannot help yourself right?

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    You can't help yourself can you Geo?

    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    You cannot help yourself right?
    No you are the one that can't stop. Keep spreading your stupid bs and I will be here to counter it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post
    Trump's ties to Putin are obvious when you see that they are two of a kind. Both can't be trusted. Both are blatant liars and cheats. Both are scoundrels.

    I don't think Trump put Europe in this energy mess. I think Europe jumped on the total green band wagon, but once again the excution of the plan started before the full long term effects, and potential risks were weighed.

    So to me thats' a lesson to the US. Of course we have to take care of the earth so we got a decent place to live. but if we put the earth too much first than we may find we aint alive to live here anyway.

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    Putin stop the flow of clean natural gas to Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post
    I don't think Trump put Europe in this energy mess. I think Europe jumped on the total green band wagon, but once again the excution of the plan started before the full long term effects, and potential risks were weighed.

    So to me thats' a lesson to the US. Of course we have to take care of the earth so we got a decent place to live. but if we put the earth too much first than we may find we aint alive to live here anyway.
    That is what they are facing right now. That was unexpected. Green energy like wind and solar needs natural gas to power the grid when the sun doesn't shine and the winds are calm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post
    That is what they are facing right now. That was unexpected. Green energy like wind and solar needs natural gas to power the grid when the sun doesn't shine and the winds are calm.
    I don't believe it is unexpected at all. Russia is NO ONE's friend. And allowing them to do what they do, and not be held accountable, has lead to the mess in Ukraine. I blame the last 2 decades of presidents, all the way back to Bush II, although Bush II did not have much he could do with Georgia.

    Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine. All bad news, and Russia bullying the world.

    Later,

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    You hace a point

    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    I don't believe it is unexpected at all. Russia is NO ONE's friend. And allowing them to do what they do, and not be held accountable, has lead to the mess in Ukraine. I blame the last 2 decades of presidents, all the way back to Bush II, although Bush II did not have much he could do with Georgia.

    Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine. All bad news, and Russia bullying the world.

    Later,

    Geo
    Russia can't be trusted. Have you heard what Putin is saying about Ukraine? He is demonizing them and calling them child killers and child abductors. I was talking to my cousin, Chris, last night on the phone. He said something about back in the 13th century in the area that is now Ukraine there were people that would steal children from the Russians. I looked it up and found some links and articles to read. I had not heard anything about that before and dismissed Putin's claims.

    I remember when Hitler demonized the Jewish people so that he could round them up in concentration camp without his own people uprising. That is what a dictator does to his perceived enemies.

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