Reply With QuoteI stand corrected. That wasn't quite as bad as yelling out "You lie!" but you're right, they were being disrespectful.Originally Posted by jcb
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You're right. It would never happen.
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I stand corrected. That wasn't quite as bad as yelling out "You lie!" but you're right, they were being disrespectful.
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Yep - very childish and sadly pretty common with how people act these days....in politics and otherwise.
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It's just the way it is if you care about something.
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Actually surprised you even typed that.The Bush Haters are still using him as a scapegoat.
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I'm sorry, but that post isn't even CLOSE to YOU LIE........
Can you make out any of the grumbling in the Bush Speech.....I can't.
I CAN hear distinctively the "YOU LIE" being yelled out.......
THAT is the difference here.......
Later,
Geo
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Hair splitting.
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Ill let you have the kool aid ,myself will just stick to a michelob ultra thanks. As far as math never was to good in it unless counting a twelve pack.But thanks for straighting the numbers out for us.
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Completly out of line and disrespectful. He must have thought he was at one of those town hall mettings were this crap flies. And of course he apologized afterwards.
If you have something to say wait until it's over walk over to the media and call him a liar.
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Oh,you must mean like the Dems did when they BOOED LOUDLY during Bush's entire State of the Union Address
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...the_union.html
Or let's not forget the fact that the Commie Obamie did OUTRIGHT LIE to all of us
http://www.mmdnewswire.com/illegal-i...care-5716.html
ALIPAC Takes Issue With Obama's Lie about Health Care for illegal immigrants
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CONTACT: Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, www.alipac.us, [email protected], (866) 703-0864
Raleigh, NC (MMD Newswire) September 10, 2009 -- Americans for Legal Immigration PAC is making it clear today that they support Congressman Joe Wilson (R-SC) for his popular stances against illegal immigration and Amnesty and for his warning to the nation during Obama's speech last night when he yelled "You Lie!"
"It is a real shame that the rest of Congress was not on their feet pointing out the President's lie about illegal aliens in his Health Care plans along with Joe Wilson," said William Gheen. "When a politician lies to Congress and the public in front of Congress, our elected officials should speak out as Joe Wilson did."
Some Obama supporters in the media and online are making the claim that clapping and approving gestures are appropriate during Presidential speeches, while dissent is improper, rude, barbaristic, etc... ALIPAC believes that dissent has a proper place in any debate and that Obama supporters should not diefy the President.
"Joe Wilson yelled out what millions of Americans were thinking during Obama's speech," said William Gheen. "We agree with what Joe Wilson said, even if we did not, we would defend his right as an American to speak his mind."
President Obama lied to Congress and the nation during his speech of 09-09-09 when he claimed "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."
The evidence this is a lie is found in countless major news reports indicating that President Obama and Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) intend to try and pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty legislation soon, that would legalize millions of illegal immigrants and qualify them for all taxpayer benefits and jobs in America.
Rasmussen Reports poll released this week indicates that 83% of Americans oppose "government health care subsidies"for illegal immigrants.
Further evidence of Obama's lie is found in the FACT that while illegal immigrants are mentioned in HR 3200 as being ineligible for health care benefits, there are no enforcement provisions and Republican lawmaker attempts to amend the legislation and add enforcement provisions have been voted down by Democrats.
"Under current law, illegal aliens are not supposed to receive welfare or medicaid benefits. They are not supposed to register to vote or have jobs, either," said William Gheen. "But due to a virtual non enforcement of our existing immigration laws, illegal aliens are stealing American jobs, registering to vote, and receiving welfare and medicaid benefits."
ALIPAC stands with the over 80% of Americans who oppose taxpayer benefits for illegal aliens, want our borders secured, and oppose any form of Amnesty for illegal aliens. ALIPAC supporters are being encouraged to speak out against President Obama's lie about his health care reform bill and to speak out in support of Congressman Joe Wilson online and on talk radio shows.
"It is time for all Americans to follow the example of Joe Wilson and speak out against the lies coming out of Washington." said William Gheen.
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Here is a fact check of Obama's numerous lies during his little spew
http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/28334503.html
Fact Check: President Obama Repeats Falsehoods in Joint Session Speech
WASHINGTON, Sept. 10 /Standard Newswire/ -- Last night during his address to a joint session of Congress on the topic of health care, President Obama again repeated many claims that simply aren't true. But despite the President's rhetoric, the Democrats' health care bills will force millions of Americans out of their current health care plans, add to the federal deficit, and increase Americans' health care costs. Following are some of the discredited claims the President repeated last night:
CLAIM: "...[N]othing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have. Let me repeat this: nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have."
FACT: This marked an important change in the President's language last night. He used to say, "If you like your health-care plan, you keep your health-care plan." By now using the word "require," the President's admitting that they can't guarantee Americans will keep their health plan. After both the Associated Press, ABC News and others have thoroughly debunked this claim, it's not surprising the White House has made this shift. But the point is that no one knows for sure how many employers will drop their coverage altogether if their plan goes into effect. Experts at the Lewin Group estimate the number could be more than 100 million Americans. And $500 billion in Medicare cuts will obviously reduce the quality of care America's seniors receive.
CLAIM: "The plan will not add to our deficit...I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits -- either now or in the future. Period."
FACT: According to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, the House Democrats' bill would increase the deficit by $239 billion over 10 years. And a recent study by the Lewin Group found that "[i]n the second 10 years...the proposal would add an estimated $1 trillion to the federal deficit."
CLAIM: "(I)t will slow the growth of health care costs for our families, our businesses, and our government."
FACT: As the Associated Press has reported, the Democrats' plan will increase costs, rather than lower them: "Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf warned lawmakers the legislation that he has seen so far would raise costs, not lower them."
CLAIM: "f you come to me with a serious set of proposals, I will be there to listen. My door is always open."
FACT: The Hill reported yesterday, that the President has not met with House Republicans since April, and when Republican Leaders asked for a meeting to discuss health care in a May 14 letter, the President ignored the request. The Politico reported on the President' response on June 5, saying, "he makes no mention of the request to meet in the letter," which he signs off by stating, "Thank you again for sharing your thoughts with me and I look forward to further discussions on this critically important issue." But those "further discussions" simply didn't happen. The facts are clear: blame for the lack of bipartisanship in the current health care debate lies squarely at the feet of Washington Democrats.
CLAIM: "I will not stand by while the special interests use the same old tactics to keep things exactly the way they are."
FACT: This is an interesting assertion considering the President also said last night: "Our overall efforts have been supported by an unprecedented coalition of doctors and nurses; hospitals, seniors' groups and even drug companies." So what special interests is he talking about when the White House seems to have struck back room deals with so many of them?
CLAIM: "We've estimated that most of this plan can be paid for by finding savings within the existing health care system -- a system that is currently full of waste and abuse."
FACT: The massive $1.6 trillion House bill's cost is NOT mostly "paid for" through savings in the existing health care system -- not by a long shot. In fact, the House bill includes more than $800 billion in new tax increases during a severe economic downturn on families and employers to "pay for" most of the massive price tag. And, the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that even with these tax increases, coupled with other "pay fors" in the bill such as cuts to Medicare, the House bill still has a revenue shortfall that will add $239 billion to the federal deficit over a ten year period. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce wrote in an open letter to Congress raising concerns about a $534 billion small business tax in July: "Even with some exemptions, this provision will kill many jobs. Market forces and employer autonomy should determine what benefits employers provide, rather than Congress."
CLAIM: "And one more misunderstanding I want to clear up -- under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place."
FACT: During his quest for the presidency, now-President Obama declared that everyone deserves access to reproductive health care that includes abortion, and vowed that this "right" would be at the heart of his health care reform plan if elected president. President Obama has never retracted this vow, and the health care reform bill moving through the House would help him make good on it if enacted into law. As written, it would allow the U.S. Secretary of Health & Human Services (HHS) to include abortion as a benefit in the government-run health care option. Many Democrats dispute this, pointing to the recent adoption of an amendment sponsored by Rep. Lois Capps (D-CA) that would prohibit federal dollars from being used to fund abortion. But under this amendment, the HHS Secretary is explicitly authorized to pay for elective abortions under the government-run insurance plan.
Some have also suggested that the government-run plan would not result in government-funded abortions because it will be subject to the "Hyde Amendment," but this argument is misleading as well. The Hyde Amendment is not a government-wide applied law, but a rather provision included in the annual HHS Appropriations bill, which bans federal funding of elective abortions. According to a memo produced by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, the government-option will not be funded through the appropriations process. For this reason, it will not be subject to the Hyde Amendment. The truth of the matter is that the HHS Secretary will be allowed to include abortion as a benefit in the government-run health care plan under the legislation currently moving through the House. Moreover, FactCheck.Org has stated that the "House bill would allow abortions to be covered by a federal plan and by federally subsidized private plans."
CLAIM: "Now, there are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I am proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."
FACT: The non-partisan Congressional Research Service confirms in a report that there is no mechanism included in the bill to verify that individuals are U.S. citizens or legal immigrants before they receive government benefits. Furthermore, Republicans offered two amendments in the Ways and Means, and Energy and Commerce Committees that were rejected by Democrats. The first would have prevented illegal immigrants from being automatically enrolled into Medicaid and the second would have required better screening for applicants for federally-subsidized health care to ensure they are actually citizens or legal immigrants.
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Lies,Lies,and More Lies
http://mrc.org/press/releases/2009/20090910103910.aspx
Bozell Challenges Media on Obama's Health Care Reform Speech September 10, 2009 10:35 ET
"Media must expose Obama’s calculated lying, scare tactics"
Alexandria, VA – Media Research Center President Brent Bozell issued the following statement this morning demanding the media report President Obama's lies, distortions and exaggerations delivered in his speech on health care reform last night:
"Barack Obama will not stop committing serial dishonesty with the American people until the media expose his false figures and bogus exaggerations for what they are: fraudulent scare tactics.
"Last night Obama told a litany of lies. He said the total cost of his health reform would be $900 billion over ten years, but even the government-run Congressional Budget Office found it would cost $1.6 trillion. He claimed his reform would not cover illegal immigrants or abortions, but nothing in any of the Democrat bills requires citizen verification and several organizations including the National Right to Life Committee have shown exactly how federal funds would be used to pay for abortion-on-demand. He knows these are lies and he tells them because he is confident the left wing 'news' media will let him get away with it.
"Worst still, Obama used these lies to play on Americans greatest fears and vulnerabilities. He warned that more people would die unless we passed his sweeping plan and threatened that our country's economic pulse would weaken with American businesses closing. And still, the media let him get away with it.
"This must stop. The media must expose Obama's calculated scare tactics and lying on 'reform.' Failing to do so gives him a green light to lie and cry wolf about whatever he wants, whenever he wants. And it will aid in the most radical government takeover ever attempted in America."
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