136 yrs!

[DJD]

It took that long for the american people to vote in a democrat. New Yorks 23 congressional district finally did it! Obama has the voters on a roll and just wait til Saturday when the house votes on healthcare for ALL! After that I admit its an uphill battle with the senate but I believe it will get done.

I really wish you would think about what you say sometimes. Take a look at how gubment does with anything they touch and tell me it's a good thing that they get invlolved with Healthcare. Remember when they give something to you they took it from someone else. Can you give me three programs that they run that isn't corrupt and bankrupt? Try and be serious please I really would like to know how you can defend the gubment????.

[slippedcork]

I really wish you would think about what you say sometimes. Take a look at how gubment does with anything they touch and tell me it's a good thing that they get invlolved with Healthcare. Remember when they give something to you they took it from someone else. Can you give me three programs that they run that isn't corrupt and bankrupt? Try and be serious.

Social security, Medicare and Farm subsudsies before they were raped by both parties. Nasa, infrastructure and energy, Nasa is ok and the president is pumping money into infrastucture and will explore new energy in the near future. I think the energy plan will be very succesful, the new LED bulbs and TVs are a good example! Theres room to grow in alternative energy.

[slippedcork]

Just a second thought, the combustable engine was invented over 100 yrs ago. Should we accept the fact that we can send a message thousands of miles in a second with a computer and it takes me 30 minutes to drive 26 miles to work just like it did 20 yrs ago? Greed is the stopping power and we have to get past that. But what do I know.

[DJD]

Social security, Medicare and Farm subsudsies before they were raped by both parties. Nasa, infrastructure and energy, Nasa is ok and the president is pumping money into infrastucture and will explore new energy in the near future. I think the energy plan will be very succesful, the new LED bulbs and TVs are a good example! Theres room to grow in alternative energy.

Haha you proved my point you cannot name any. BTW LEDS's are not new been around for along time.

Whats good about the new t.v.'s? Do they draw less current? Generate less heat? Require less energy to make? Not sure what you mean?

[slippedcork]

Haha you proved my point you cannot name any. BTW LEDS's are not new been around for along time.

Whats good about the new t.v.'s? Do they draw less current? Generate less heat? Require less energy to make? Not sure what you mean?

I should have said the concept of everyone using LED is catching on. Yes to your last sentence.

[greenriverman1]

Social security, Medicare and Farm subsudsies before they were raped by both parties. Nasa, infrastructure and energy, Nasa is ok and the president is pumping money into infrastucture and will explore new energy in the near future. I think the energy plan will be very succesful, the new LED bulbs and TVs are a good example! Theres room to grow in alternative energy.

LED lights! He must have discovered them about the same time that Gore discovered the net. Plasma tvs are on the way out because of the amount of electricity they use.

Cork you are right when you said "There's room to grow in alternative energy".

"When President Bush signed the energy bill last December, ­buried in the legislation was a provision that phases out incandescent light bulbs over the next four to 12 years in favor of more energy-efficient technologies."
http://www.builderonline.com/products/high-beam.aspx

http://greenlivingideas.com/topics/h...gy-consumption

Neither party care about the infrastructure or we would not have a NAFTA and they would not give our money away if they were not lining their pockets.

My 2 cents

[the_donger]

Don't nail the coffin shut on incandescent bulbs yet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/bu...t/06bulbs.html

[slippedcork]

Just got back from a weekend out of town on a deer hunting trip. Stayed in the stand all day saturday and never seen a deer!

[easmallie]

Social security, Medicare and Farm subsudsies before they were raped by both parties. Nasa, infrastructure and energy, Nasa is ok and the president is pumping money into infrastucture and will explore new energy in the near future. I think the energy plan will be very succesful, the new LED bulbs and TVs are a good example! Theres room to grow in alternative energy.

Little late to the dance, but SSA, Medicare/Medicaid are broke and failing, so bad examples. Farm subsudsies are a tremendous waste of money in this day of the mega farm. Nasa hardly, I would peaked in the 60's when Neil stepped on the moon, shuttle is iffy, hubble grant you that, but cost at least 10X budget, oops, bad optics... but imagine if it were paid with tax dollars but managed/delivering on a commercial schedule? And finally, I would argue energy is better served in the private sector. Unless I missed something LED's/TV's weren't invented by Al Gore, these were private sector, like the light bulb, IC engine, micro chip, LCD, fiber optics. Great examples of innovation are Cisco, Intell, MS, Google. Just about every govt program, while they mean well, typically lead to the "laws of unintended consequence" ... Welfare leads to unemployment, govt housing was shown lead to social demise (aka the projects), fair housing act lead to massive foreclosures....Just my 3 cents...

[slippedcork]

Little late to the dance, but SSA, Medicare/Medicaid are broke and failing, so bad examples. Farm subsudsies are a tremendous waste of money in this day of the mega farm. Nasa hardly, I would peaked in the 60's when Neil stepped on the moon, shuttle is iffy, hubble grant you that, but cost at least 10X budget, oops, bad optics... but imagine if it were paid with tax dollars but managed/delivering on a commercial schedule? And finally, I would argue energy is better served in the private sector. Unless I missed something LED's/TV's weren't invented by Al Gore, these were private sector, like the light bulb, IC engine, micro chip, LCD, fiber optics. Great examples of innovation are Cisco, Intell, MS, Google. Just about every govt program, while they mean well, typically lead to the "laws of unintended consequence" ... Welfare leads to unemployment, govt housing was shown lead to social demise (aka the projects), fair housing act lead to massive foreclosures....Just my 3 cents...

Good to have you aboard easmallie. Done ran this one through the ringer but jump on in on the top.

[DJD]

Little late to the dance, but SSA, Medicare/Medicaid are broke and failing, so bad examples. Farm subsudsies are a tremendous waste of money in this day of the mega farm. Nasa hardly, I would peaked in the 60's when Neil stepped on the moon, shuttle is iffy, hubble grant you that, but cost at least 10X budget, oops, bad optics... but imagine if it were paid with tax dollars but managed/delivering on a commercial schedule? And finally, I would argue energy is better served in the private sector. Unless I missed something LED's/TV's weren't invented by Al Gore, these were private sector, like the light bulb, IC engine, micro chip, LCD, fiber optics. Great examples of innovation are Cisco, Intell, MS, Google. Just about every govt program, while they mean well, typically lead to the "laws of unintended consequence" ... Welfare leads to unemployment, govt housing was shown lead to social demise (aka the projects), fair housing act lead to massive foreclosures....Just my 3 cents...

Welcome! Sounds like some good points to me!

The "new t.v.s" ole slipped was talking about were just on the news and it was about how much energy they draw not how low their draw was. They will be regulated to draw less since places like California can't handle the energy draw of these "new t.v.'s"....were these the same ones you were talking about slipped?

[HURRICANEBOB]

I really wish you would think about what you say sometimes. Take a look at how gubment does with anything they touch and tell me it's a good thing that they get invlolved with Healthcare. Remember when they give something to you they took it from someone else. Can you give me three programs that they run that isn't corrupt and bankrupt? Try and be serious please I really would like to know how you can defend the gubment????.

RESPA.....the reason banks don't rip you off when you close a home loan is becuase the gubment got involved. Nope, they don't always get it right, but they do their best to protect us from those who would not. JMO (burbon influenced X3)

Social Secuity: Not perfect, but without it lots would go without homes or meals.

Medicare: I just hope I live long enough to try it. Mom is 86, has saved her big times $$$$.

Equal Opportunity Act: You don't think that was a bad idea do you?

Just a couple, beer getting warm. Let me get a cold one and I'll go on......and on.......and on.....

Hey, they don't always get it right, but they do a fair job of doing what they can.

Just look at me....military, fed civil service.........DUDE! I'm a product of YOUR tax dollars!