The End of Time

[Grumpy]

Bug, This is what I love about egoists, they take everything personally. I was not in anyway referring to you or your posts except in the context of all the other combined, conflicting posts in this thread. As in the present case, and always as in the past, when I have something to say to a specific person, I address my comments to that person, otherwise, general comments are meant to be taken as GENERAL COMMENTS and not directed to one person.

Grumpy

[apb]

Grumpy,

I'm not finding anything on the 25k year cycle. Those numbers seem right for some reason, just don't know why. I did dig up a few things on Archaeomagnetic Dating:

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeol...g/dat_mag.html
http://www.museum.state.il.us/progra...ratory_008.htm
http://www.nmarchaeology.org/archaeo...aboratory.html

Andrew

[bassin_bug]

I believe this video is the basis for a lot of the speculation about the Polar Shift of 2012. It was shown on The History Channel. Watch for catch phrases like, "it began with the Mayan Calendar, the Mayans believe, hypothesis, might be, possibly, theory, if it occurs, etc. I also believe this is where people heard the part about the shift occuring every 25,800 years.

http://www.2012online.org/2012research/polar_shift/

Scroll down until you see a small black picture with a planet (possibly earth) positioned at an angle. Under it will be the words, "Watch an introduction to polar shift." When it opens up it will show the words, "2012 The Polar Shift Explained."

Will someone please let me know if this is what you saw on The History Channel?

There is also a movie, "2012" that is being promoted.

[Grumpy]

Bug, yes that is one segement of the History Channel's treament of 2012. If you would like to watch the whole thing, go to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAtgP...eature=related

That will get you to Part !, just to the right of the video is a scroller block and afte Part 1 starts, there will be a listing for Part 2 and this will update after each segment until all six parts have been played.

Enjoy,

Grumpy

[RoadToad]

What about the Galactic aleignment of the Sun, the Earth and the Milky Way's Black Hole which will cause "Pole Shift" and is predicted for that day?

Grumpy

A fallacy based on bad astronomy. Here's what NASA says on the subject:

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...012-guest.html

Here's what I consider the most pertinent part of that article:

"Fast-forward to 1995. That year John Major Jenkins packaged several of these themes into Maya Cosmogenesis 2012. According to Jenkins, the winter-solstice point and the centerline of the Galaxy will line up exactly on Dec. 21. Arguing that this motivated the Maya to contrive the calendar to end on that date, Jenkins concludes that it will be "a tremendous transformation and opportunity for spiritual growth, a transition from one world age to another."

In fact, astronomy cannot pinpoint such a "galactic alignment" to within a year, much less a day. The alignment depends on the rather arbitrary modern definition of the galactic equator, and/or the visual appearance of the Milky Way. There is no precise definition of the Milky Way's edges -- they are very vague and depend on the clarity of your view. (Jenkins says that he personally established the Milky Way’s edges by viewing it from 11,000 feet, far above anywhere the Maya lived.) So to give a precise visual position for its centerline is not meaningful.

Jenkins did acknowledge that the winter-solstice Sun actually crosses the center of the Milky Way anytime between 1980 and 2016. Elsewhere he expands this approach zone to a 900-year period, and settles for an imprecise alignment to which Dec. 21, 2012, is arbitrarily and circularly assigned. Real astronomy does not support any match between the Baktun-13 end date and a galactic alignment. The advocates both admit and ignore this discrepancy."

[RoadToad]

Revelation 13:18 says, "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding count the number of the beast" (the idea is that it is the number of a man, not of God, which means he will give account to Jehovah, Whom he has repeatedly blasphemed): "for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six." (It is the number of a man, not a kingdom, not a religion, not a dispensation, but a man. The number will be 666). Words in parenthesis are scripture explanation.

The numbers can't possibly be the number of Nero's name for two reasons. The first is that Nero died in AD64 when he was 37 years old and won't be ruling the world at any time. The second is according to the above verse of scripture, it is the number of a MAN whose name has yet to be revealed.

While we're talking about TV documentaries, I just watched an interesting one on NGC called "Secrets of Revelation." It attempts to explain some of the content of Revelations by putting it into historical perspective, looking at circumstances of the author's life at the time he wrote it. It states that the numerological interpretation of 666 being a reference to Nero is based on the Hebrew characters that spell his name. I'm not familiar with the Hebrew alphabet or the numerology they practiced, but they say that if you look at it that way, Nero is a perfect fit. They also make an interesting case for the "***** of Babylon" actually being a veiled reference to Rome.

[Moveon]

I saw that show on the History Channel. Interesting show.

While we're talking about TV documentaries, I just watched an interesting one on NGC called "Secrets of Revelation." It attempts to explain some of the content of Revelations by putting it into historical perspective, looking at circumstances of the author's life at the time he wrote it. It states that the numerological interpretation of 666 being a reference to Nero is based on the Hebrew characters that spell his name. I'm not familiar with the Hebrew alphabet or the numerology they practiced, but they say that if you look at it that way, Nero is a perfect fit. They also make an interesting case for the "***** of Babylon" actually being a veiled reference to Rome.

[bassin_bug]

A fallacy based on bad astronomy. Here's what NASA says on the subject:

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...012-guest.html

Here's what I consider the most pertinent part of that article:

"Fast-forward to 1995. That year John Major Jenkins packaged several of these themes into Maya Cosmogenesis 2012. According to Jenkins, the winter-solstice point and the centerline of the Galaxy will line up exactly on Dec. 21. Arguing that this motivated the Maya to contrive the calendar to end on that date, Jenkins concludes that it will be "a tremendous transformation and opportunity for spiritual growth, a transition from one world age to another."

In fact, astronomy cannot pinpoint such a "galactic alignment" to within a year, much less a day. The alignment depends on the rather arbitrary modern definition of the galactic equator, and/or the visual appearance of the Milky Way. There is no precise definition of the Milky Way's edges -- they are very vague and depend on the clarity of your view. (Jenkins says that he personally established the Milky Way’s edges by viewing it from 11,000 feet, far above anywhere the Maya lived.) So to give a precise visual position for its centerline is not meaningful.

Jenkins did acknowledge that the winter-solstice Sun actually crosses the center of the Milky Way anytime between 1980 and 2016. Elsewhere he expands this approach zone to a 900-year period, and settles for an imprecise alignment to which Dec. 21, 2012, is arbitrarily and circularly assigned. Real astronomy does not support any match between the Baktun-13 end date and a galactic alignment. The advocates both admit and ignore this discrepancy."

One of the things bothering me is if there have been polar shifts in the past, why didn't the world end THEN? Why now and why is everything based on so much supposition and so little fact? I think the whole thing is a hoax.

I wonder what the Mayan and other explanations will be when nothing happens on 12-21-2012.

[Grumpy]

"One of the things bothering me is if there have been polar shifts in the past, why didn't the world end THEN?"

Well, Bug, depending on which suppostion you want to believe, "modern man" came into being somewhere between 8,000 and 25,000 years ago, which leave plenty of leeway for those aliens to have begot us after the last Pole Shift. Beside, the idea isn't that the "world" ended, it is that "the end of time" came for the previous peoples on earth and we started in the aftermath.

Grumpy

[apb]

One of the things bothering me is if there have been polar shifts in the past, why didn't the world end THEN? Why now and why is everything based on so much supposition and so little fact? I think the whole thing is a hoax....

Probably more of a missunderstanding of what is going on. It is the magnetic poles that are shifting, not the actual north and south pole. No land/water is moving.

I wonder what the Mayan and other explanations will be when nothing happens on 12-21-2012.

Probably the same as many other "explanations" of the world ending or "rapture" that never occured.

Andrew

[apb]

...Well, Bug, depending on which suppostion you want to believe, "modern man" came into being somewhere between 8,000 and 25,000 years ago, ...

Modern man, as in Homo sapien, originated in Africa around 120,000 years ago and spread out from there. Several competing theories right now on how that spread occurred.

Andrew

[Tim_T]

I think it could be the end of times. The most popular rapper is a white guy from a trailer park (Eminem), the best golfer in the world is black (Tiger Woods), a white Canadaian (Steve Nash) was two time NBA most valuable player. A former UK basketball coach is at U of L and KVD is set to supplant Rick Clunn as the best tournament bass angler in the world!

Another sign of end times is when Chuck Norris sayings have been supplanted by John Wall sayings.