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    Re: Judge RULES.......ObamaCare is unconstitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by kydonky View Post
    Wow!! exempt medicals bill from bankrupcy. Pretty cold. How bout if you do not have health insurance or pay cash up from you don't get in. This would surely shorten the lines and waiting times.

    I don't see how this system has even changed in the last 12 months. I went to my Dr in Dec....no change. He accepted my insurance, gave me a checkup, prescribed medicine for strep infection. So this Adm. broke the system????

    If you have insurance now how are you paying more. Say your premium went up this year? well it has gone uop every year for the last 25 years with or without health care reforms.

    The whole process of insurance is that groups share risks. Since we do not deny care to those without insurance the cost is spread with those that pay, those thsat do not pay and those insured.

    So given a chance health reforms may satiblize costs. With the risks spread more evenly insurance will be more afordable. Listen to the insurance actuaries they will tell you the wider a risk is spread the more stable the plan and the lower the premium.

    Malpractice lawsuits are not to blame and limiting malpractice claims will only furter help insurance Industry. Talk about government medeling!!! Taking a resonsibility out of the hands of a jury to a regulation!!. One of the reasons we get good health care is the threat of suit if it is performed neglegently. So lets see hospitaly tags wrong arm for amputation and as a result we fine them $100.00 and ask they be more careful.

    Lets just let insurance cancel you the day after you have a catotophic diagnosis. No Govenment medeling. May as well scrap all banking regulations as this is also government medeling too.

    Its too early to panic as you seem to be. If problems surface with these reforms they can be amended/changed. Has a lot of good ideas, I for one am hoping some take hold and work as they are intended.
    I'm not the type to panic. That is unless panic is defined as the belief that the federal government has by far overstepped the bounds of the United States Constitution.

    Come on man, you have to read what I wrote. Exempt NON catastrophic medical bills from bankruptcy IF you make 50k or more. If you have the means to pay, you can't roll over on routine medical bills. Not cold...pragmatic.

    Malpractice lawsuits need to be examined. For example, if like a person California once did, you can sue and win millions because your ESP powers were destroyed by a cat scan, there may be a problem.

    The real drain is tort lawsuits. Reform is badly needed there. You can't turn on the TV these days without seeing an ad by some group of tort sharks getting filthy rich off a class action lawsuit. Drug companies have zillions built into the cost of every drug on the market so they can feed the swarms of tort lawyers swimming around out there. Reform here is not likely, seeing as how the overwhelming majority of politicians are lawyers.

    Anyhow we can civilly agree to disagree. It appears you want big government, and I don't.

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    Re: Judge RULES.......ObamaCare is unconstitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by ckline2006 View Post
    The threat of a malpractice claim does not drive the quality of care in this Nation. Money does and that's the way it should be. Doctors want to be the best and make the most. Medical facilities want good reputations and lots of customers. Medical equipment inventors and manufacturers want to have the greatest product at the greatest price. Our health care industry is driven by capitalism and that is great because competition demands efficiency.

    I welcome all claims calling me harsh, cruel, or disconnected for my following statement: Not everyone deserves health insurance. I stand behind taking care of the kids, handicapped, and other groups who are incapable of providing for themselves in a fair market society, but everyone else should fend for themselves.

    I spent my time in school learning. When I was old enough, I got a part time job. In college, I worked full time and went to school full time. When I got out of college, I kept on working full-time and started side businesses. Through all of this I have saved and invested aggressively. I have skipped some (not all) vacations, parties, concerts, and other things that my friends have done so I could continue my saving and investing.

    - Now to the point-

    I haven't behaved this way to be thought a martyr. I have done it because I want better. Better than I had, better than I have now, better than the next guy. I want a bigger house, bigger, truck, bigger boat, and to retire earlier than the next guy. There's not a thing wrong with my desire's either. I made a plan and put it in motion, it's the American dream and I'm living it.

    I also want the best health care. If I'm able to pay for the best care and somebody else is not, that sounds a lot like their problem and not mine. The idea that based on whatever sob story somebody has or explanation of momentary irresponsibility suddenly makes it ok to take from my pile and put in theirs is bogus.
    Careful there now, if you're so callous and cold that you actually want to keep what you've earned, you'll get branded a right wing hate monger.

    Since it's pretty obvious you've unfairly taken advantage of those who have less than you, it's up to the government to take some of your wealth and redistribute it.

    It seems you also have the unmitigated gall to take care of yourself without government help. Clearly you are some kind of nut. Thank goodness we have the Dimocrat party to punish the likes of you.

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    Re: Judge RULES.......ObamaCare is unconstitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devils Horse View Post
    Careful there now, if you're so callous and cold that you actually want to keep what you've earned, you'll get branded a right wing hate monger.

    Since it's pretty obvious you've unfairly taken advantage of those who have less than you, it's up to the government to take some of your wealth and redistribute it.

    It seems you also have the unmitigated gall to take care of yourself without government help. Clearly you are some kind of nut. Thank goodness we have the Dimocrat party to punish the likes of you.
    It's so sad but true. That party's leaders will play that exact scenario to try and win their point of view.....sadly people fall for it. They have used the race card the same way but it's ok because they are the party thats been helping the poor, weak and unisured for how many years? Anything ever gotten better??? Hmmm

    It's a sham on the american people and I know I for one am so sick of it. Since when is it a right to have healthcare, be a home owner, make a good living, own a car or have children you can't pay for?

    If you listen to the politics of Nancy P, Hillary C, Obamy and other uber Liberals it's a God given right and we should all be paying MORE to help the poor. I guess if they say it enough it becomes believable and people change their minds on what their rights are compared to what they should work for. It's a mess and again it has been caused by self serving politicians trying to get votes, repay campaign contributers, walking the party mantra or just having a bad case of cranius rectumus.

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    Re: Judge RULES.......ObamaCare is unconstitutional.

    Do you have a link for the esp powers lawsuit........thats a HOOT and I want to read it.

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    Re: Judge RULES.......ObamaCare is unconstitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    Do you have a link for the esp powers lawsuit........thats a HOOT and I want to read it.
    http://articles.latimes.com/1986-03-30/news/mn-1672_1

    Sorry, she didn't get millions she only got 988k, and it was Philly, not California.

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