Bassmaster Classic Results

[lroberts]

If you guys watched the weigh-in on bassmaster.com you would know that Martens did not whine about fishing the same areas as those other guys, or them taking fish away from him. That was to my surprise, because he usually whines like a little baby.....maybe the difference was that the others fishing around him were pro's and not locals??? Heck, him and Vandam were fishing within spitting distance much of the tx. That has to hurt!

[elnutsmalljaws]

If you guys watched the weigh-in on bassmaster.com you would know that Martens did not whine about fishing the same areas as those other guys, or them taking fish away from him. That was to my surprise, because he usually whines like a little baby.....maybe the difference was that the others fishing around him were pro's and not locals??? Heck, him and Vandam were fishing within spitting distance much of the tx. That has to hurt!

I guess Byron Velvick was a local at Lake Falcon a couple of years ago when Elias set the record? I don't see the difference whether a "local" is sitting on a spot or a "pro" when Aaron gets there. The one tourney I remember when he was griping about the locals, they were sitting there when he showed up. He sat there whining and crying that they were sitting on top of his fish, that it was his best spot, finally asked them when they were planning on leaving and they replied they were prefishing for their own tourney. Whether a local guy is fishing a local tourney or a pro is fishing an elite series tourney or KVD is fishing the Classic or father and son are fun fishing, if they are there when Aaron shows up then go to another spot and shut your mouth. Good to hear he did not cry and whine at the Classic, maybe he is changing maybe not, only time will tell. My bet is, if any other pro was fishing within spitting distance of him they would have taken some lip service. What has Aaron won, 2 or 3 tournaments in the past 6-7 years? Hard to give some lip service to Van Dam with this kind of record not to mention flat out pissing off the fishing fans and community with trying to bad mouth KING KONG.

[Tim_T]

KVD and Martens are actually pretty good friends. They have evenb roomed together a few times in the past.

[lroberts]

I guess Byron Velvick was a local at Lake Falcon a couple of years ago when Elias set the record? I don't see the difference whether a "local" is sitting on a spot or a "pro" when Aaron gets there. The one tourney I remember when he was griping about the locals, they were sitting there when he showed up. He sat there whining and crying that they were sitting on top of his fish, that it was his best spot, finally asked them when they were planning on leaving and they replied they were prefishing for their own tourney. Whether a local guy is fishing a local tourney or a pro is fishing an elite series tourney or KVD is fishing the Classic or father and son are fun fishing, if they are there when Aaron shows up then go to another spot and shut your mouth. Good to hear he did not cry and whine at the Classic, maybe he is changing maybe not, only time will tell. My bet is, if any other pro was fishing within spitting distance of him they would have taken some lip service. What has Aaron won, 2 or 3 tournaments in the past 6-7 years? Hard to give some lip service to Van Dam with this kind of record not to mention flat out pissing off the fishing fans and community with trying to bad mouth KING KONG.

I was not saying that there is/was a difference between a local or a pro being around him. What I said was that there was an obvious difference in the way he treated them. Rook and Remitz were in the same area also and he didn't seem to be bothered by them either. I was just surprised at how "grown-up" he acted all throughout the tourney given his track record. I guess you just have to disagree with me because I am an IU fan!!!!

[elnutsmalljaws]

If you guys watched the weigh-in on bassmaster.com you would know that Martens did not whine about fishing the same areas as those other guys, or them taking fish away from him. That was to my surprise, because he usually whines like a little baby.....maybe the difference was that the others fishing around him were pro's and not locals??? Heck, him and Vandam were fishing within spitting distance much of the tx. That has to hurt!

Nothing to do with UK or IU!!!!! "maybe the difference was that the others fishing around him were pro's and not locals" sure does sound like Aaron treats pro's different than local's to me. Just saying he has a HISTORY of treating both pro's and local's the same as the camera has proven on more than one occasion. You are correct in that we will agree to disagree.

[davidsa]

Two things shock me about this thread

1) that KVD won again and by such a big margin

2) how crappy coverage and press for this event was last weekend. I googled the bassmaster 2 times and got nothing that indcated that it was on last weekend. I looked briefly at ESPN schedules Sunday morning and saw nothing.

I thought the bassmaster had to be this weekend. Maybe Versus will pick up the classic and give us some real coverage. Maybe some other network has, please tell if this was somewhere besides ESPN

[elnutsmalljaws]

Two things shock me about this thread

1) that KVD won again and by such a big margin

2) how crappy coverage and press for this event was last weekend. I googled the bassmaster 2 times and got nothing that indcated that it was on last weekend. I looked briefly at ESPN schedules Sunday morning and saw nothing.

I thought the bassmaster had to be this weekend. Maybe Versus will pick up the classic and give us some real coverage. Maybe some other network has, please tell if this was somewhere besides ESPN

ESPN really had excellent coverage of the Classic this year. If you tuned in Sat or Sun to watch you was a WEEK EARLY. The only thing worse than the last couple of years coverage of the Classic by ESPN is THIS YEARS COVERAGE, which was none at all. Check the listings but I saw where I think they are showing Day 1 coverage on Sat and Day 2 and Day 3 on Sunday but never saw anything about Day 4 coverage. It would be nice to see Versus, The Outdoor Channel or some other channel that actually cares about Hunting or Fishing to pickup the Classic and Elite Series events.

[lroberts]

ESPN really had excellent coverage of the Classic this year. If you tuned in Sat or Sun to watch you was a WEEK EARLY. The only thing worse than the last couple of years coverage of the Classic by ESPN is THIS YEARS COVERAGE, which was none at all. Check the listings but I saw where I think they are showing Day 1 coverage on Sat and Day 2 and Day 3 on Sunday but never saw anything about Day 4 coverage. It would be nice to see Versus, The Outdoor Channel or some other channel that actually cares about Hunting or Fishing to pickup the Classic and Elite Series events.

First....The Classic only has three days of fishing. Secondly, BASS not ESPN dictated that the coverage be one week late. Broadcasting fishing is much more difficult than other sports because there are 50 competitors in 50 different places...we'll get much better coverage when they have time to put everything together so that we can see how things unfolded. Does it **** we have to wait....yes....does everyone already know who won.....yes....but the tv coverage will be better.

[elnutsmalljaws]

First....The Classic only has three days of fishing. Secondly, BASS not ESPN dictated that the coverage be one week late. Broadcasting fishing is much more difficult than other sports because there are 50 competitors in 50 different places...we'll get much better coverage when they have time to put everything together so that we can see how things unfolded. Does it **** we have to wait....yes....does everyone already know who won.....yes....but the tv coverage will be better.

You are RIGHT, the Classic is only 3 days, call it temporary insanity for thinking it was like the rest of the tourneys. But you can't tell me that we have 50 anglers starting and fishing the first 2 days and then 25 on the last day that we can't have 10-12 cameras following the top anglers around with some coverage. I am not necessarily saying the entire thing needs to be shown live but the final weigh-in of the top fellas after Day 2 would have been nice. We can have cameras all over a golf course, nascar race, hanging from the speakers at Rupp, baseball and football stadiums, and other regular season events but we can't get 10 to cover the "Classic". A couple of years ago ESPN had the Classic on the Day it was fished. I remember watching Day 1 and Day 2 a couple of hours tape delayed but the final Day was several hours long as they brought in the top 6 or so and showed the weigh in live plus other fishing that took place throughout the day. That coverage was bashed on here by MANY and it was wished then that somebody who actually cared about fishing would take over the series and give it the just due. I did not think they could make it worse but they did. Show the coverage a couple of hours after the weigh in at least not 168 hours after.

Before somebody says, "Well you have 50 to start where do you put the 10 cameras?". 50 to start but realistically how many of them have a shot at winning, 15 or 20, start with having the camera on them and adjust from there. Surely guys like KVD, Skeet, Ike, Klein, Duckett, Evers, Swindle etc would be picks to start and if any of them are not on fish then move the camera boat to another angler during the day. Day 2, pretty easy, look at the leaderboard after Day 1 and adjust, Day 3 with 10 cameras out of 25 fisherman you have 40% of the field covered and surely you have the eventual champion covered. I am not nor ever will be in tv production, but we can put cameras on every single nut and bolt of a nascar, have in car cameras, rear bumper camers, front bumper camers, cameras in the grass showing the asphalt view, cameras in pit boxes, crew chiefs, cameras on the commentators, 2 different "Hot Cameras" debut at Daytona showed the thermal temp of the inside of the race car and temp of tires on the cars, plus who knows how many other camers. No way am I saying the Bassmaster Classic is even in the same league as the Daytona 500 but if we can have a 100+ cameras (who knows the real number) covering the "Bassmaster Classic of Nascar" and show it LIVE, then we could get 10 to cover the Bassmaster Classic and show same day coverage even it tape delayed a couple of hours. Just me, but knowing the outcome just does not make it a MUST SEE TV for me. Sort of like DVR'ing a football or basketball game that you can't see and you hear the final score before seeing the game, just not the same.

[nlex104]

You are RIGHT, the Classic is only 3 days, call it temporary insanity for thinking it was like the rest of the tourneys. But you can't tell me that we have 50 anglers starting and fishing the first 2 days and then 25 on the last day that we can't have 10-12 cameras following the top anglers around with some coverage. I am not necessarily saying the entire thing needs to be shown live but the final weigh-in of the top fellas after Day 2 would have been nice. We can have cameras all over a golf course, nascar race, hanging from the speakers at Rupp, baseball and football stadiums, and other regular season events but we can't get 10 to cover the "Classic". A couple of years ago ESPN had the Classic on the Day it was fished. I remember watching Day 1 and Day 2 a couple of hours tape delayed but the final Day was several hours long as they brought in the top 6 or so and showed the weigh in live plus other fishing that took place throughout the day. That coverage was bashed on here by MANY and it was wished then that somebody who actually cared about fishing would take over the series and give it the just due. I did not think they could make it worse but they did. Show the coverage a couple of hours after the weigh in at least not 168 hours after.

Before somebody says, "Well you have 50 to start where do you put the 10 cameras?". 50 to start but realistically how many of them have a shot at winning, 15 or 20, start with having the camera on them and adjust from there. Surely guys like KVD, Skeet, Ike, Klein, Duckett, Evers, Swindle etc would be picks to start and if any of them are not on fish then move the camera boat to another angler during the day. Day 2, pretty easy, look at the leaderboard after Day 1 and adjust, Day 3 with 10 cameras out of 25 fisherman you have 40% of the field covered and surely you have the eventual champion covered. I am not nor ever will be in tv production, but we can put cameras on every single nut and bolt of a nascar, have in car cameras, rear bumper camers, front bumper camers, cameras in the grass showing the asphalt view, cameras in pit boxes, crew chiefs, cameras on the commentators, 2 different "Hot Cameras" debut at Daytona showed the thermal temp of the inside of the race car and temp of tires on the cars, plus who knows how many other camers. No way am I saying the Bassmaster Classic is even in the same league as the Daytona 500 but if we can have a 100+ cameras (who knows the real number) covering the "Bassmaster Classic of Nascar" and show it LIVE, then we could get 10 to cover the Bassmaster Classic and show same day coverage even it tape delayed a couple of hours. Just me, but knowing the outcome just does not make it a MUST SEE TV for me. Sort of like DVR'ing a football or basketball game that you can't see and you hear the final score before seeing the game, just not the same.

I agree. The fact is if they can show it a week later then the cameras are already out there recording whats going on. With the technology today the videos are edited right there on the spot and ready to be aired. No excuse at all. They should let Versus take over this and we would all be better off having someone involved that actually cares about fishing. ESPN didn't show the classic because they probably had a girls basketball game that no one was watching.

[bigrod]

Not as easy as you make it seem when the Classic is at a place like the Delta. You got guys running two hours to go fish for an hour. You going to put 50 camera guys out there along with 50 Marshals and 50 writers, you want them to travel and fish with 3 or 4 people in every boat? That doesn't make since. I would love to see it live but there was a great blog, pictures daily and live weigh in on computer. I can wait to see the edited tapes a week later, hell I already know who won anyway!

[Tim_T]

There is no way to show the Classic live and make it effective coverage. Do not compare it to other sports. Other sports have a playing field that is small by comparison. have any of you ever been on the Louisiana Delta? There is no feasible way to show it live and have good coverage, the Delta is enormous. Besides, the tape delayed coverage will be better than anything ESPN did for the smilpe fact that the new owners will show you who is catching fish, not who plays for the camera, which is all ESPN cared about. The show will be produced by the owners company as it was in the past, but they can now do what they want with it because ESPN has no say so.

As for Versus, are you kidding me? First, their FLW coverage is horrible and takes months to air a tournament, secondly Versus has very few subscribers when compared with ESPN.