Occupy Protestors Gone

[waterdog101]

as I watch the protest on tv, I think back to the protest that were going on in other countrys, and as it showed the police use their clubs on the people protesting, the news showed the people here in america, and some were high ranking leaders. that were saying those protesters in the other countrys, that are being clubed by the police. should have the right to protest. they were all for the large protest going on over there, and when the protest start going on at home. they stoop to the same level. drag out their big clubs. it's taken root here at home now. so many that can't see their life getting any better, are starting to protest. and it will take a while but we will see it happen, just like in the other countrys, that have been run by the DICKTATORS and in the end the greedy dicktators lost everything, their control over their country, their familys, and their lives. the same thing is going to happen here at home in america, our country is being run not by one DICKTATOR, but by MULTIPLE DICKTATORS better known as CONGRESSMEN and SENATORS. and the end will be the same millions of mad americans will in the end drag the congressmen and senators out of rat holes in the groung and sewage lines were they will be trying to hide their greedy selfs. thats my view of it anyway, as I try to look ahead.

[DJD]

as I watch the protest on tv, I think back to the protest that were going on in other countrys, and as it showed the police use their clubs on the people protesting, the news showed the people here in america, and some were high ranking leaders. that were saying those protesters in the other countrys, that are being clubed by the police. should have the right to protest. they were all for the large protest going on over there, and when the protest start going on at home. they stoop to the same level. drag out their big clubs. it's taken root here at home now. so many that can't see their life getting any better, are starting to protest. and it will take a while but we will see it happen, just like in the other countrys, that have been run by the DICKTATORS and in the end the greedy dicktators lost everything, their control over their country, their familys, and their lives. the same thing is going to happen here at home in america, our country is being run not by one DICKTATOR, but by MULTIPLE DICKTATORS better known as CONGRESSMEN and SENATORS. and the end will be the same millions of mad americans will in the end drag the congressmen and senators out of rat holes in the groung and sewage lines were they will be trying to hide their greedy selfs. thats my view of it anyway, as I try to look ahead.

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/news...the-tea-party/

Found this interesting. I do think if some of the people who are just falling in line with the OWS crowd really thought about it they would realize the TEA party isn't the enemy.

[vetbass]

Tim,
Your correct many unions are funding this as well as George Soros sure some private money gets dumped in but extreme left wingers are loving this group. Why? It supports their class warfare against Wall Street millionaires and private sector millionaires who they feel don't give enough to this country...of course they don't address the 40%-48% of Americans who pay nothing or very little.... they just drank the koolaid of obamy who has been attacking wealthy folks for years.
But I believe some of the supporters are starting to distance themselves as this turns into a crime after crime being committed by thugs rally. The message I heard the most is they want fair pay and are upset with the present system of going to college, building large student loan debt and then coming out to get a job only to find there isn't one waiting for them.
So since they feel they have been mislead they are upset and now demand someone (you and me) bail them out. Many other ideas and complaints have popped up but that's because they are grabbing at straws trying to find something that will stick.

DJD

Let me be one of those "extreme left wingers" as you call them and address the 40-48% of folks who "pay nothing or very little"

Very true that these folks do not pay federal income taxes--these folks either use legal deductions (the same way you or I or anybody else on this board does) or they simply dont make enough money to qualify to pay fed income tax--a decient percentage of these folks use the earned income tax credit which allows them to not pay income tax--the earned income credit was started by Gerald Ford if i remember right and then expanded upon by Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush to help children, working poor and the elderly who make up most of the 48%

These people who dont pay income taxes will still pay around 40% of their total income in taxes give or take a few points--these folks dont pay fed income tax but they end up paying a higher percentage of there income in state, local and other taxes than someone making several hundred thousand or millions a year--if you compare total taxes paid yearly for someone making $20000 a year and someone making $500000 a year they will both pay around 40% give or take a few points

Not all of us left wingers like koolaid either--Im a tea drinker myself

[GeoFisher]

DJD

Let me be one of those "extreme left wingers" as you call them and address the 40-48% of folks who "pay nothing or very little"

Very true that these folks do not pay federal income taxes--these folks either use legal deductions (the same way you or I or anybody else on this board does) or they simply dont make enough money to qualify to pay fed income tax--a decient percentage of these folks use the earned income tax credit which allows them to not pay income tax--the earned income credit was started by Gerald Ford if i remember right and then expanded upon by Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush to help children, working poor and the elderly who make up most of the 48%

These people who dont pay income taxes will still pay around 40% of their total income in taxes give or take a few points--these folks dont pay fed income tax but they end up paying a higher percentage of there income in state, local and other taxes than someone making several hundred thousand or millions a year--if you compare total taxes paid yearly for someone making $20000 a year and someone making $500000 a year they will both pay around 40% give or take a few points

Not all of us left wingers like koolaid either--Im a tea drinker myself

Explain to me how they end up paying anywhere NEAR 40% of their income in taxes?? Must be some new kind of math.

later,

Geo

[vetbass]

Explain to me how they end up paying anywhere NEAR 40% of their income in taxes?? Must be some new kind of math.

later,

Geo

A 2009 study by the nonpartisan Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy concluded that state and local taxes took a higher percentage of income from the poor and middle class than from the wealthy--researchers found those in the top 1% paid around 5% in state and local taxes while those in the bottom 20% paid almost 11%--double what richest paid

the same study also found that the average state excise tax accounted for 7% for the poorest folk--4.7% for middle class--0.9% for the wealthy

according to a 2007 CBO report the bottom 80% paid 9% of their income on social security tax while the top 1% only paid 1.6% of their income on social security tax

those folks earning $500000 or greater have seen their overall effective tax rate drop by almost 50% since 1980 while the rate for those making $20000 or less has barely budged

corporate taxes as a percentage of federal revenue dropped from 27.3% in 1955 to 8.9% in 2010--during that same time period individual income/payrolls as a percentage of federal revenue skyrocketed from 58% to 81.5% thus the overall tax burden shifted from the wealthy and corporations to middle class and poor folk

[GeoFisher]

A 2009 study by the nonpartisan Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy concluded that state and local taxes took a higher percentage of income from the poor and middle class than from the wealthy--researchers found those in the top 1% paid around 5% in state and local taxes while those in the bottom 20% paid almost 11%--double what richest paid

the same study also found that the average state excise tax accounted for 7% for the poorest folk--4.7% for middle class--0.9% for the wealthy

according to a 2007 CBO report the bottom 80% paid 9% of their income on social security tax while the top 1% only paid 1.6% of their income on social security tax

those folks earning $500000 or greater have seen their overall effective tax rate drop by almost 50% since 1980 while the rate for those making $20000 or less has barely budged

corporate taxes as a percentage of federal revenue dropped from 27.3% in 1955 to 8.9% in 2010--during that same time period individual income/payrolls as a percentage of federal revenue skyrocketed from 58% to 81.5% thus the overall tax burden shifted from the wealthy and corporations to middle class and poor folk

Doubled to 11%.......that is 29% LESS than you stated..............I still am IMPRESSED with your math skills.

Later,

Geo

[vetbass]

Doubled to 11%.......that is 29% LESS than you stated..............I still am IMPRESSED with your math skills.

Later,

Geo

ok im gonna explain this one more time--please pay careful attention

the top 1% paid around 5% in STATE and LOCAL TAXES--the bottom 20% paid around 11%

the folks who dont pay "any taxes" according to the right pay an OVERALL EFFECTIVE TAX RATE of 40% give or take a few points

im pretty sure there is a big difference between OVERALL EFFECTIVE TAX RATE and just STATE AND LOCAL TAXES

poor folk pay same percentage of their income to uncle sam as the rich folk do

basically were all paying a flat tax of 40%

[vetbass]

GEO

forgot to ask in my previous post--seems you have some experience with float n fly on dale--would like to learn how---do you know a good guide who teaches float n fly

Thanks for any suggestions

Democrat or Republican guide it doesnt matter

[DJD]

Well I cannot argue those stats. I don't believe them since stats can be found to back any point. I have heard different....your basically saying that everyone pays taxes. After all refunds, credits or whatever else can be claimed they still pay 40%? does this apply to people getting money from the gubment? People getting "x" amount of money for having babies, food stamps or any program that gives them money. I'm just asking to get some info(my judgment on if anyone deserves help isn't at play here) how many millions of tax payer money that is given to illegals is taxed? I believe Bobby mentioned illegals get assistance.

[vetbass]

Well I cannot argue those stats. I don't believe them since stats can be found to back any point. I have heard different....your basically saying that everyone pays taxes. After all refunds, credits or whatever else can be claimed they still pay 40%? does this apply to people getting money from the gubment? People getting "x" amount of money for having babies, food stamps or any program that gives them money. I'm just asking to get some info(my judgment on if anyone deserves help isn't at play here) how many millions of tax payer money that is given to illegals is taxed? I believe Bobby mentioned illegals get assistance.

the fact is that the right has repeatedly tried to fool the american people with this lie and have been very effective at this--if you choose to deny the truth than that is your right

yes that 40% applies to everybody even those on gov assistance--to my knowledge those who recieve something like welfare checks do not pay direct tax on that money because its considered income and that income does not amount to enough to qualify to be taxable--however these folks are still on the hook for all the other various taxes

im sure there are illegals who skirt the system and pay nothing just like there are legal citizens who find ways to steal from the system--however i have seen folks on the right villify everone on gov assistance way to often--the vast majority of folks on gov assist are folks with legit reasons for being in that situation and that assistance still leaves most of these folks living in squaller--you can take any large program or large group of people ever created in the history of the world and you will find some kind of cheating and fraud involved--thats just part of it

the right the left or anyone in this country should be thankful that gov assist exists because without it this country would implode on itself in short order

[waterdog101]

the fact is that the right has repeatedly tried to fool the american people with this lie and have been very effective at this--if you choose to deny the truth than that is your right

yes that 40% applies to everybody even those on gov assistance--to my knowledge those who recieve something like welfare checks do not pay direct tax on that money because its considered income and that income does not amount to enough to qualify to be taxable--however these folks are still on the hook for all the other various taxes

im sure there are illegals who skirt the system and pay nothing just like there are legal citizens who find ways to steal from the system--however i have seen folks on the right villify everone on gov assistance way to often--the vast majority of folks on gov assist are folks with legit reasons for being in that situation and that assistance still leaves most of these folks living in squaller--you can take any large program or large group of people ever created in the history of the world and you will find some kind of cheating and fraud involved--thats just part of it

the right the left or anyone in this country should be thankful that gov assist exists because without it this country would implode on itself in short order

well said, and thanks.

[GeoFisher]

the fact is that the right has repeatedly tried to fool the american people with this lie and have been very effective at this--if you choose to deny the truth than that is your right

yes that 40% applies to everybody even those on gov assistance--to my knowledge those who recieve something like welfare checks do not pay direct tax on that money because its considered income and that income does not amount to enough to qualify to be taxable--however these folks are still on the hook for all the other various taxes

im sure there are illegals who skirt the system and pay nothing just like there are legal citizens who find ways to steal from the system--however i have seen folks on the right villify everone on gov assistance way to often--the vast majority of folks on gov assist are folks with legit reasons for being in that situation and that assistance still leaves most of these folks living in squaller--you can take any large program or large group of people ever created in the history of the world and you will find some kind of cheating and fraud involved--thats just part of it

the right the left or anyone in this country should be thankful that gov assist exists because without it this country would implode on itself in short order

I still don't get it.............PROVIDE a link, any link.......

AND I can GUARANTEE you that my effective tax rate is no where near 40%. EVEN with the double taxation on various things. I still don't get it.

How about you BREAK IT DOWN.

yes that 40% applies to everybody even those on gov assistance--to my knowledge those who recieve something like welfare checks do not pay direct tax on that money because its considered income and that income does not amount to enough to qualify to be taxable--however these folks are still on the hook for all the other various taxes

I don't buy that all the various other taxes are 40%. If so, then my effective tax rate is more like 60%.............Yea, I call BS.

Later,

Geo