Have they gone nuts in Washington?

[RoadToad]

The uh 'Super' committee was never intended to succeed, the appointment of that committee was pure politics. It was formed so President Obama could do just what he's doing right now: point the finger of blame at Republicans.

The gulf between the right and left is bigger than ever.

The Dems are further left than ever in history, and the GOP is solidly on the right. Both of them are that way because the voters are more polarized than ever. Not too many moderates out there, at least any who'll admit it.

The Dems voters want to tax and spend the country into a European style social democracy, and the GOP voters want the same America we've always had.

The Dems have done a great job convincing a large portion of America that if we just tax the 'rich' more we'll be just fine. Never mind the absolutely idiotic levels of spending during the period they totally controlled the government, and the fact the government could confiscate ALL the 'rich' peoples' money and it wouldn't make a dent. They've shifted the blame using class warfare and attributing all ills to Wall Street greed.

It escapes me how anyone who thinks federal spending needs to be controlled could even consider voting Democrat. Step one when they got complete control of the legislative and executive branches of the government was to pass an 850 BILLION dollar spending bill without even reading it. Over 3/4 of a TRILLION DOLLARS WITHOUT EVEN READING THE BILL. Stimulus my ass. It's been record levels of spending since, despite the miserable economy and unemployment rate.

The President's answer? More taxing, and yes, more spending.

Thankfully the voters did something about it and put a Republican majority into the house, so at least there is some resistance to the Washington spending machine. Not that the Republicans are much better, they'd be helping Mr. Obama and the Dems spend our money like drunken sailors if they weren't afraid we'd vote em out.

All I can say is the Republicans I voted for dang well better not compromise an inch. The deficit spending has got to stop NOW, and the cutting has to start NOW.

Next November elect a President who can actually lead, and get rid of Harry freakin Reid as Senate majority leader.

Let the Democrats and CNN/MSNBC/NBC/ABC/CBS say what they will, don't raise ANYONE's taxes, cut the federal government to the bone, and let this great country get back on track.

Rant over.

There's one thing I don't quite understand. You speak as though the Democrats have refused to make any spending cuts, which is not true. The Democrats are willing to compromise and make spending cuts, but think they need to be accompanied by some tax increases. It's the Republicans who have refused to compromise, citing Grover Norquist's tax pledge that they've all signed, and which has them all by the cojones. As I recall, "the same America we've always had" is one in which both sides compromise, which the Republicans, not the Democrats, are refusing to do. Like I said before, I don't want to let the Democrats off the hook, because the scope of the cuts needs to be larger than they seem to be comfortable with, but they're at least willing to TALK about cuts. As soon as the tax increases get mentioned (which are inevitable), the Republicans close their ears.

[know1]

The Democrats are willing to compromise and make spending cuts, but think they need to be accompanied by some tax increases.

Why do you think the government needs more money? Where specifically would you suggest they spend the additional funds.

Personally, I think the government needs less money. They've proven enough times they can't handle money at all.

[RoadToad]

Why do you think the government needs more money? Where specifically would you suggest they spend the additional funds.

Personally, I think the government needs less money. They've proven enough times they can't handle money at all.

I would "suggest" that they spend the money on the services that survive the spending cuts, which are also necessary if we are to have any hope of even reducing, let alone eliminating, the deficit. But cutting spending ALONE won't do it. Reducing revenue, as you suggest, guarantees we pass this huge deficit on to the next generation.

[DJD]

There's one thing I don't quite understand. You speak as though the Democrats have refused to make any spending cuts, which is not true. The Democrats are willing to compromise and make spending cuts, but think they need to be accompanied by some tax increases. It's the Republicans who have refused to compromise, citing Grover Norquist's tax pledge that they've all signed, and which has them all by the cojones. As I recall, "the same America we've always had" is one in which both sides compromise, which the Republicans, not the Democrats, are refusing to do. Like I said before, I don't want to let the Democrats off the hook, because the scope of the cuts needs to be larger than they seem to be comfortable with, but they're at least willing to TALK about cuts. As soon as the tax increases get mentioned (which are inevitable), the Republicans close their ears.

I wish it was that simple. I just don't think it is. I have also heard it's the Democrats who won't budge on anything that doesnt expand the gobment and tax the millionaires. GOP stands against that and I agree. So who is right? I agree the Dems cannnot be let off the hook as well as the GOP not being let off since they too have had a hand in this.

I also believe this whole thing was a setup so he can use this as a reelection talking point. I had no faith they could get this done and I firmly believe he knew it wouldnt get done either. He played the american people for his hope on getting re-elected. He knew the super committee would do the same as him....nothing!

So now it will be the GOP's fault that we are in this mess. His class warfare folks(occupy wallstreet) have hit the airwaves for months about the wealthy getting off easy. He blames the GOP for not dealing with the Dems in the S.C. and just keeps telling Congress to get it done or else. Nice play Mr, Dictator. Or else what? Another Executive Order? Another Czar?

I apologize but I have to add this....this Obama Basketball Classic sickens me. I mean geez we really need a basketball game named after a potus? And for his re-election campaign???? I do feel like we are being controlled by a dictator. Of course our country is going in the wrong direction on sooo many fronts and he is gonna do this? Excellent way to lead by example....Ayatollah Obamy!

[Chubminnow]

Ayatollah Obamy!

Gotta a decent chuckle out of this....actually it would be a lot funnier if it weren't so true!

[Devils Horse]

There's one thing I don't quite understand. You speak as though the Democrats have refused to make any spending cuts, which is not true. The Democrats are willing to compromise and make spending cuts, but think they need to be accompanied by some tax increases. It's the Republicans who have refused to compromise, citing Grover Norquist's tax pledge that they've all signed, and which has them all by the cojones. As I recall, "the same America we've always had" is one in which both sides compromise, which the Republicans, not the Democrats, are refusing to do. Like I said before, I don't want to let the Democrats off the hook, because the scope of the cuts needs to be larger than they seem to be comfortable with, but they're at least willing to TALK about cuts. As soon as the tax increases get mentioned (which are inevitable), the Republicans close their ears.

Neither party has tried for the cuts that are needed, but the GOP is the lesser of the evils by far. The Dems will go 10 billion less than current spending levels, the GOP wants 61 billion. Neither is nearly enough.

Here's a couple of links backing up what I say, one from the left and one from the right.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_831937.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...480567882.html

Tax increases on anyone be they rich or poor is not necessary. The federal government already collects taxes on almost everything, especially income, and they have no business collecting more. America is T axed E nough A lready.

The federal government needs to start eliminating entire departments. Every silly axed czar of anything and their staffs need to be gone. Homeland Security...gone. Dept of Education...gone. Some other major agencies and hundreds of smaller duplicitous agencies...gone. Foreign aid handouts...gone. Obamacare...gone. Lobbyists, be they right, left, or in the middle...gone. Cut the pay of federal government employees (averaging over 100k a year right now) by 20%, and have them pay for benefits like the rest if us do.

Maybe I sound like some kind of a wingnut, but if an average citizen handled money like OUR government, they'd be bankrupt in 3 months.

[RoadToad]

You don't sound like any kind of wingnut, you sound just like the average Republican nowadays, absolutely 100% intransigent on the subject of tax increases, and willing to watch our country go to hell in a handbasket rather than compromise on the subject.

[FlyLie]

You don't sound like any kind of wingnut, you sound just like the average Republican nowadays, absolutely 100% intransigent on the subject of tax increases, and willing to watch our country go to hell in a handbasket rather than compromise on the subject.

Good for you, hang in their, but I'm sure by now you realize there not much support out there on this board unless you are a STAUNCH RIGHT WING (uneducated) PUB!! Just check the GEO ( Rush Lim....,want to be)


But there is life after the death....,

[GeoFisher]

Good for you, hang in their, but I'm sure by now you realize there not much support out there on this board unless you are a STAUNCH RIGHT WING (uneducated) PUB!! Just check the GEO ( Rush Lim....,want to be)


But there is life after the death....,

Fly, I will speak for myself....thank you.

I don't bring up your name on ******** posts, please don't bring up mine.

I generally can get along with anyone, and have made trips with many a liberal friends here.

YOU......are not my friend......

And for the record...........I'm rather educated.......THANK YOU.

Have a good day, sir.

George White

[DJD]

Good for you, hang in their, but I'm sure by now you realize there not much support out there on this board unless you are a STAUNCH RIGHT WING (uneducated) PUB!! Just check the GEO ( Rush Lim....,want to be)


But there is life after the death....,

Interesting thing you have proven here Fly....the folks on this board who resort to name calling and irresponsible comments like yours have for the most part been Liberals who swing waaaay left. Several have been banned because of their name calling which seems to be a tactic for some of the left winged bretheren when their comments are met with resistance. No doubt some of us get sideways over stuff but its in the heat of the discussion and just doesn't have an outright condescending insult feel to it.
Many on here who I disagree with have earned my respect and actually made me think alot more on the topics and that's a good thing. I mean it's politics and religion both of which are personal decisions. I try and keep my comments in the same tone as if I was speaking face to face with the person and I wish you would. Comments like the last one you made wouldn't be taken lightly with me and I can guaranty you wouldn't say it twice. So how about stop with the bravado of the keyboard quarterback and type something productive or thought provoking, deal with the discussion/opposition from others and maybe grow a little.....no one is too old for learning something new or getting their clock cleaned. Just a few simple things you should have learned by now.

[pontooner]

Interesting thing you have proven here Fly....the folks on this board who resort to name calling and irresponsible comments like yours have for the most part been Liberals who swing waaaay left.

Are you sure your reading the same board as I am because I see from the right on here all the time.

I'm guessing you were upsest with the "uneducated" remark which I find to be out of line but like I said there are post on here all the time calling people fools, idiots, dumb, uninformed, sheep.... if you voted for Obama or would vote for him again and like you if some of these comments were made to my face then there might be a problem brewing.

[DJD]

Are you sure your reading the same board as I am because I see from the right on here all the time.

I'm guessing you were upsest with the "uneducated" remark which I find to be out of line but like I said there are post on here all the time calling people fools, idiots, dumb, uninformed, sheep.... if you voted for Obama or would vote for him again and like you if some of these comments were made to my face then there might be a problem brewing.

Yeah that was it. Just hit me wrong and I didn't see any need for it. I'm pretty sure the only banned folks I have ever seen were PL, SlippedCork and Moose1am all of which were Liberals that resorted to over the line name calling and insults. Don't really see why since their politician of choice won! Can't really think of any others? So part of my point was he seemed to be taking that path.
I'm over it because it amounts to nothing more than an out of line comment. It's all good with me!