A serious question

[Tim_T]

For all the negative stuff about the lottery and all the misinformation, I know one thing the lottery provides.....college money for Kentucky kids. Google keys money. It is real and my daughter is using some to pay her tuition right now.

In regards to the horse racing industry, there are thousands of jobs that are currently moving out of this state to base their operations at tracks in surrounding states. What happens when jobs leave? Less tax revenue! The reason these horse racing jobs are leaving Kentucky and going to surrounding states? Slot machine money. That increase purses and brings more horses to the tracks. There are several horse owners in Kentucky right now that don't run their horses in this state because the purses are to low. Money leaving Kentucky to go to another state.

"The Crime Syndicate (Mob), prostitution, gambling addictions, drugs, and all sorts of crime. It costs the states more to prosecute and house the criminals than it takes in from casino taxes"

Really, I haven't notcied Bugsy Segal and the boys sniffing around southern Indiana. This is not Las Vegas in the early days. How come we don't see new jails built where the added casinos? You would think there would be a huge need for them with all the crime these casinos bring, yet that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Brandon__]

GeoFisher

Question- you are all about freedoms correct? I only ask because I see your posts, but my question to you- why would you want to restrict any business then doesn't that go against everything you have been preaching around here?

[Netboy Extraordinaire]

If you think Churchill Downs is not hurting you are delusional. Pick ANY weekday and go to Churchill when live racing and see what a ghost town it is. If it was not for inter-track wagering Ellis and Turf would be closed. Churchill will not close because the Derby abs Keeneland will not close because of all the farms surrounding Keeneland want to see their horses run, the attendance and the sales that coincide with live racing. I do gamble, not now because of my financial situation, but will say and my wife will happily verify that I have cleared and filed proper taxes on $120,000 profit over our first 6 years of marriage. Won $50,000 in Jan of 2003 alone that paid for our adoption of our son. Gambling is not all a bunch of low life's giving their money away. I am fully aware Vegas wasnt built on winners. But if adults would consider it entertainment, for example if you were to spend $100 on a night out eating, movie and such but choose the Casino what is the difference? As someone that has bet and followed horses for 25 years, the horse industry is in dire trouble. One by one, trainers are moving their stables to other states, horses are not selling for what they used to and Ky tracks are in Deep trouble (except Keeneland). I live in Frankfort and play at the boats outside Louisville or Cincy. I am helping IN with their economy. Ohio has approved gaming at their horse tracks, which will add to Ky's problem because River Downs in Cincy will draw more horses from Turfway in Florence. If someone wants to go to a Casino from Ky, they can by driving an hour and change from just about any direction. No matter where they are at, to each is own let adults make their own decisions about going to Casinos.

[Netboy Extraordinaire]

People do have the freedom to choose and yes they don't always make the wise decision. But among other things, if I was not able to play Texas Hold Em at a Casino and be as good at it as I am, a little boy that was abandoned in a field in Katmandu Nepal on Dec 2, 2003 would not be my son today. We sure could not afford to pay the $34,000 that it cost us to adopt any other way. There are people that get paid on Friday and lose it all that night at the Casino. Again, we make decisions in life that we must suffer the outcome. I read all the time on here about less Government less this less that. Put the issue on the Ballot and let the MASSES vote on what THEY want to happen. Williams is an idiot that has lost who knows how much at the Casinos and we are going to let him decide what is best.

[GeoFisher]

GeoFisher

Question- you are all about freedoms correct? I only ask because I see your posts, but my question to you- why would you want to restrict any business then doesn't that go against everything you have been preaching around here?

Not a strict libertarian. ALL for freedom.......

More about Social Conservatism and Fiscal Conservatism.

With that in mind.....I have no problem with government......SMART GOVERNMENT, but that is of course an oxymoron.

I've posted this before.........Here is an interesting test to tell were you "really" sit.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Later,

Geo

[steemer1]

The only people that make money from casinos on a regular basis is the casino owners. Casinos exploit the poor lower property values and increase taxes to pay for the extra services to take care of the problems. We don't need casinos in KY we need to cut spending.

[GeoFisher]

I've posted this before.........Here is an interesting test to tell were you "really" sit.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Later,

Geo

I just took the test again.........

Unbelievable......I've moved more to the left

I BET that is because of our current economic situation.



Later,

Geo

[Tim_T]

The only people that make money from casinos on a regular basis is the casino owners. Casinos exploit the poor lower property values and increase taxes to pay for the extra services to take care of the problems. We don't need casinos in KY we need to cut spending.

This is quite simply B.S. You are repeating verbatim what a bunch of zealots always sayh and it has been proven false!

"Casino gaming neither preys upon the poor nor brings crime, vice, or moral decay to host communities. For example, a random, nationwide survey recently completed for the National Gambling Impact Study Commission indicated that rates of pathological gambling were no higher in places closest to casinos than those that were furthest removed. The Commission also found that proximity to gaming was not associated with increased levels of bankruptcy or child welfare indicators. The Commission found that spending on social services was no greater in places close to gaming opportunities than in places further removed from gaming opportunities. And, the Commission analyzed FBI crime data from 100 communities with varying degrees of proximity to casino gaming, concluding that the availability of gambling had no effect on rates of larceny, burglary, motor vehicle theft, assault, or robberies."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n28736540/

[Netboy Extraordinaire]

Mark it down Boys and Girls, if Kentucky does not get Gaming legalized in this state, Ellis Park and Turfway Park will be closed in less than 10 years. Thousands of jobs will be lost as more horse operations move to other states. Breeding farms in Kentucky will not be as busy because they will not be getting the hot stallions due to all the "State Bred" money other states with Gaming adds to purse money. Therefore Breeding Farms will be losing jobs.

Let me explain it very simple:

A $10,000 Claiming race at Turfway Park will pay a total purse money of around $7500. The winner gets 60% or $4500. The same $10,000 Claiming Race at tracks in Indiana, West Virginia, Pennsylvania or others with Gaming money added will have a purse money of $15,000 to $20,000 or $9,000 - $12,000 to the winner. If you had a $10,000 Claiming Horse and wanted to race it, where would you race? I am going to the states with Gaming money - which is where the Horse industry is headed and Kentucky had better get with the times.

[bassin_bug]

For all the negative stuff about the lottery and all the misinformation, I know one thing the lottery provides.....college money for Kentucky kids. Google keys money. It is real and my daughter is using some to pay her tuition right now.

Really, I haven't notcied Bugsy Segal and the boys sniffing around southern Indiana. This is not Las Vegas in the early days. How come we don't see new jails built where the added casinos? You would think there would be a huge need for them with all the crime these casinos bring, yet that doesn't seem to be the case.

Did I miss something? I thought you and a few others were talking about a refrendum for/against legalizing casinoes in Kentucky. Somehow the Kentucky lottery scholarships got thrown into the mix. btw, I do wish your daughter all the best as she pursues her college education.

The reason there aren't more new jails in cities where casinoes are prevalent is because the tax money is used for law enforcement to arrest the criminals, run them through the court system with a public defender paid with tax money, some are released on probation, others are jailed, some are treated like fishing: CATCH AND RELEASE. Money that was allocated for new jails is being used for pet projects of everyone from the governor, to the sheriff, to the commissioners, and everyone else who wants a piece of the pie.

[kygorski]

People have gambled for years, and will continue to do so. Yes for some its an addiction, for many more its recreation.I find most poker boring,craps to hectic. Roulette intriging but I dont play. Lottery scratch offs"********" lotto the same.I went to one horse race, didn't do anything for me.BUT its my money, I'll spend the way I want. Gambling is not a sin, if you think so, dont do it.

[Tim_T]

Did I miss something? I thought you and a few others were talking about a refrendum for/against legalizing casinoes in Kentucky. Somehow the Kentucky lottery scholarships got thrown into the mix. btw, I do wish your daughter all the best as she pursues her college education.

The reason there aren't more new jails in cities where casinoes are prevalent is because the tax money is used for law enforcement to arrest the criminals, run them through the court system with a public defender paid with tax money, some are released on probation, others are jailed, some are treated like fishing: CATCH AND RELEASE. Money that was allocated for new jails is being used for pet projects of everyone from the governor, to the sheriff, to the commissioners, and everyone else who wants a piece of the pie.

Bug the lottery was brought up by someone else.

As for your contention that casinos bring in all this extra crime, studies have shown otherwise. People against gambling tend to ignore the facts and argue against it using emotion and not facts.