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Reducing the national debt, how? Cutting spending by itself will not work. Balanced budget , maybe. Making government smaller, were doing that, its hurting a lot of folks, those who were gov. workers, and the services that folks need.If the parties cant negotiate a olan, let the bus go over the cliff. That sequester was a 10 year plan. The bush tax cuts will end, the payroll with holding will end..And who nis getting hurt?All of us!Reagan raised taxes at least 7 times in 8 years, G Bush Sr raised taxes, Clinton did also, and all the sudden from surplus to major deficit.
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IMO, the best place to start would be to cut off the billions upon billions of dollars that is handed out to other nations.
I understand that their are people starving in other parts of the world. Instead of forcefully taking U.S citizens money to buy the folks food we should just have good old fashion food and clothing drives. Have the collection sites at local Fire Houses. People in this country will donate millions of tons of food and cloths on their own terms.
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Our plan of giving to othjer countye to make them "love" us, just isn't working. We make bad choices, we go with that old" the enemy of my enemy is our friend", and then we some how turn them against us.Who the hell is our friend? South korea, that was one of the reasons there are hardly any consumer electronics built here anymore.Japan, sure they make the best cars in the world right now, in america. But for years they blocked the sales of U S autos, or taxed them out of the market.Finaly nobahma looked at the solar panel industry, that is trying to be run by the chinese and euiropean governments, and added a tariff.If solar energy is such a joke, why are those country's spending goverment billions on them to export to america. We used to be the biggest and best steel producers in the world, what happened? We decided to BUY friends instead of protecting our own.
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--Originally Posted by kygorski
I agree partly, I feel like we give way too much money to other countries as ' foreign aid' , why the he** are we giving pakistan anything, they clearly told us they are not our friend and we can't save the world unless we save ourselves first... I think maybe Mr. Reagan might have had the wheel when the trade unions brought up their desire to tax foriegn auto makers out of the market and he called it protectionism and if some of you old timers remember the cars and trucks made in this country, the fender might rust off the thing before you got it home from the dealership.. The 'big three' were in the same bed the oil companies are in today... Competition from the japanese was the major reason we are buying good quality vehicles today so those kinds of things cut both ways.
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Obama is ready to work with everyone, to speed the recovery of our country up. he said he had the pen in hand, to sign the papers that they all agree on. But a deal still has to be made, so Obama also announced that he's inviting Congressional leaders (as well as other business and community leaders) to the White House next week to get the ball rolling on negotiations. Obama said, "I am not wedded to every detail of my plan. I'm open to compromise. I'm open to new ideas." I don't look for the Republican's to put much effort in helping make things better. I believe Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, would rater see the USA go under, than to see Obama do a good job bringing our country back to where it was. I hope I'm wrong about them. for the sake of our country.
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I think that goes for electronics, motorcycles, boat motors and video games. Competition that pushes technology is a good thing.
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I don't think we'll be going over this particular cliff myself. Now that the election's over, Obama and Boehner especially are making it sound like they're going to ready to compromise:
“If we’re serious about reducing the deficit, we have to combine spending cuts with revenue, and that means asking the wealthiest Americans to pay a little more in taxes,” Obama said.
That would mean “accepting the damage it will do to our economy,” Boehner said, expressing his support for "tax reform that closes special interest loopholes and lowers tax rates."
Boehner refused to say ANYTHING specific going into these talks, whereas before "no tax increases" has always been a precondition. So, we Dems are gonna get our tax increase on the rich. But, what we've got to accept is that it's going to come with some spending cuts that we're not gonna like. We said spending cuts alone won't fix the deficit, and that's true, but raising taxes alone won't fix it, either. There is going to have to be some kind of entitlement reform, and that's just a fact of life.
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Wasn't it Mr. Limbaugh that said after the last elections that he wanted the democratic president's policies to fail just because they were democratic... How did this nutcase ever get the following he has... Doesn't seem to speak well for conservatives.
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In short: no.
Limbaugh said nothing about democracy. His quote: "I hope he fails." (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it.
Really a non-story (surprise! Limbaugh hopes Obama fails at liberalism!), but twisted by the left, and whoever you get your news from.
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For anybody to say he hopes a presidency fails regardless of the affiliation is just plain non-patriotic... What difference does it make whether an administration is red or blue if it works in the best interest of our country... Mr Limbaugh is a nutjob and if he is a hero of some of you guys here I apologize to you for being honest about this idiot you see as a hero... As far as his quote being about liberalism, that's a crock of dog poo, This guy hates anything and anybody on the left side of the isle and he has spent years spewing that hatred.
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How can you argue the quote isn't about liberalism when the fact that it IS about liberalism is staring you in the face? It's really not a debatable point.
I'm not a fan of Rush's, but I dislike the way statements like the one he made get turned into lies even more.
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he isn't the only one that wants him to fail, Mitch McConnell said from day one of Obama being elected, and the economy crashing, and people losing their homes and jobs. that his number one Priority, was to make Obama a one term President. how can the man get anything done, when having to work with people with that kind of mind set.
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