peacefull preyers

[jcb]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I for one consider the Pope to be a better authority on Christian theology than you. No offense.

None taken. But do keep in mind the Pope is an expert on Catholic theology, not necessarily Christian. Take care.

[RoadToad]

None taken. But do keep in mind the Pope is an expert on Catholic theology, not necessarily Christian. Take care.

Seems like a moot point. The Holy Trinity is a fundamental part of Catholicism, and the leader of the Catholic Church, the Pope, has said that Muslims worship the same God that Catholics do. So, unless your position is that your particular denomination worships a different God than the Catholics do, either you or the Pope must be wrong.

[jcb]

either you or the Pope must be wrong.

Wouldn't be the first time, for either of us.

[RoadToad]

Something else I find interesting is that I've never known or heard of a Jew or Muslim who said that their God was different from that of either of the other two religions. As best I can tell, it seems to be only some Christians (not all) who will tell you this. And I'm not saying this proves my point (it doesn't), I just find it interesting.

[jcb]

Something else I find interesting is that I've never known or heard of a Jew or Muslim who said that their God was different from that of either of the other two religions. As best I can tell, it seems to be only some Christians (not all) who will tell you this. And I'm not saying this proves my point (it doesn't), I just find it interesting.

Note: the following is not Muslim-bashing.

Have you ever heard the word infidel?

[RoadToad]

Note: the following is not Muslim-bashing.

Have you ever heard the word infidel?

Yes I have. Interestingly enough, it does not appear anywhere in the Koran.

So... what was the point of the question? FYI (if you don't already know this) another common fallacy among non-Muslims is that the word "infidel" refers to all non-Muslims. It does not. It refers to anybody, Muslim or otherwise, who is not true to their religion. Or to someone like me, who does not adhere to any particular religion.

Based on what you've posted. you would not be considered an infidel. You would be what is referred to in the Koran as a "person of the book." Although again, I don't quite get how this relates to the subject we were discussing.

[jcb]

Yes I have. Interestingly enough, it does not appear anywhere in the Koran.

So... what was the point of the question? FYI (if you don't already know this) another common fallacy among non-Muslims is that the word "infidel" refers to all non-Muslims. It does not. It refers to anybody, Muslim or otherwise, who is not true to their religion. Or to someone like me, who does not adhere to any particular religion.

Based on what you've posted. you would not be considered an infidel. You would be what is referred to in the Koran as a "person of the book." Although again, I don't quite get how this relates to the subject we were discussing.

That may be the Wikipedia definition, but do you seriously believe that when Muslims call Americans "infidels", they are really saying "those guys who say they are Christian but do not follow the beliefs of the Christian faith"?

[RoadToad]

I think that I may have made some incorrect assumptions when you asked me if I had heard the term, and as a result, steered this conversation down a tangent. So please, help me out. Why did you ask me that?

I acknowledge that yes, some Muslim extremists do use the word to mean all non-Muslims. But again, they are twisting their religion to suit their extremist views. Kind of like the Westboro Baptists.

Here's something interesting for you. Under Sharia law, it is a punishable offense to use the word "infidel" against a Jew or a Christian, because the Koran defines both as "people of the book."