6 Jan Panel

[ZoraSpook]

Watched the coverage. Going to watch more. Given the stated mission of those that form the panel, I think what is reported will tell us all a lot about how professionally and competently the group performed their impartial investigation. So far, I’ve seen evidence presented, and then conclusions drawn that don’t relate to the evidence presented, and assumptions or opinions stated as factual findings.

So will continue to watch and let what is stated as findings be laid out then draw my conclusions not based on what the panel says but what the evidence shows.

[Moveon]

Watched the coverage. Going to watch more. Given the stated mission of those that form the panel, I think what is reported will tell us all a lot about how professionally and competently the group performed their impartial investigation. So far, I’ve seen evidence presented, and then conclusions drawn that don’t relate to the evidence presented, and assumptions or opinions stated as factual findings.

So will continue to watch and let what is stated as findings be laid out then draw my conclusions not based on what the panel says but what the evidence shows.

The fact will come out in a series of more hearings. Can't wait until Monday. I'm sure that Geo and other GOP Trump supporters were watching Fox and are clueless to what Trump did. There is a reason Fox didn't cover this when all the other networks covered it gavel to gavel. Fox can't handle the truth.

[ZoraSpook]

The fact will come out in a series of more hearings. Can't wait until Monday. I'm sure that Geo and other GOP Trump supporters were watching Fox and are clueless to what Trump did. There is a reason Fox didn't cover this when all the other networks covered it gavel to gavel. Fox can't handle the truth.

You mean facts like L Cheney said when 2-3 weeks before 6 Jan the feds knew the plans were in place for an attack and Dems refused NG?

Why wasn’t Pelosi called as a witness on why the NG was not activated to secure the capital?

Chair person of the committee makes a foregone conclusion statement that Proud Boy membership increased after a Trump said “ Stand back, Stand By”. Did the Chairman have a list by name of all members that joined after the Trump statement and was everyone of the new members required to submit a swore statement as to why they joined?

Yes sir I look forward to seeing how many more accusation with out factual foundations get posted

[stripernut1]

So....
You're saying the REAL problem here is folks that knew other folks were going to commit an attack against the United States of America, not the actual act of attacking the United States of America.
That's akin to a drunk telling his wife "you knew I was gonna beat the hell out of you the next time I got drunk, but you stayed anyway so this **** is on you darlin".
Would you go so far as to say it makes the attack forgivable?
Would you also say there is a slight chance that just maybe you've fallen for another one of the cunning distractions Fox and the majority of the GOP have been known to slip in while you were watching . And you know how much they abhor distractions.
Why, they even make a downright public spectacle of every distraction the "haters of this country " make.
C'mon man, I expected more from you. You've shown enough moments of clarity in the past to see beyond this BS....neither "side" cares about you , they only want your blessing in the form of a vote, to continue their self enrichment and eternal power quest. And now the only choice for "news" , ummm puke, you have is Left State Media and Right State Media.
I would love to stay and talk but it's going to be a long paddle to my fishing spot this morning, high gas prices ain't gonna keep me off the water!

[ZoraSpook]

So....
You're saying the REAL problem here is folks that knew other folks were going to commit an attack against the United States of America, not the actual act of attacking the United States of America.
That's akin to a drunk telling his wife "you knew I was gonna beat the hell out of you the next time I got drunk, but you stayed anyway so this **** is on you darlin".
Would you go so far as to say it makes the attack forgivable?
Would you also say there is a slight chance that just maybe you've fallen for another one of the cunning distractions Fox and the majority of the GOP have been known to slip in while you were watching . And you know how much they abhor distractions.
Why, they even make a downright public spectacle of every distraction the "haters of this country " make.
C'mon man, I expected more from you. You've shown enough moments of clarity in the past to see beyond this BS....neither "side" cares about you , they only want your blessing in the form of a vote, to continue their self enrichment and eternal power quest. And now the only choice for "news" , ummm puke, you have is Left State Media and Right State Media.
I would love to stay and talk but it's going to be a long paddle to my fishing spot this morning, high gas prices ain't gonna keep me off the water!

No sir, I hold the people that physically conducted unlawful acts accountable including trespassing, destruction of property, assault on law enforcement officers.

We cant start with the foregone conclusion that Trump organized it when this kangaroo court has provided no evidence of that. This group has shown evidence a radical group did plan violence and execute it.

Ask yourself: if a politician says “ fight for your rights”, does that justify you taking the comment out of context and using a gun to shoot a political opponent? Of course not. If so Shummer ought right now be in jail for his comments before the criminal attempted his attack on a Supreme Court member.

When someone says if you get a bite, you must fight a fish, does that mean the fisherman should be carrying a gun and brass knuckles? Of course not.

There is only one person at the source of a crime, he who makes the personal decision to commit it.

Last point, when a person in Congress is assigned and accepts the position with duties that include the defense of the capital are made aware of an impending attack and take no responsible action to prevent it, YES SIR, that person with that duty to perform is derelict in their duties and therefore negligent, and culpable. Same as a boat skipper who fails to insure his boat is safe before inviting passengers aboard.

Last point, in recognition of your paddle boat use because of high fuel costs, I nominate your for an E P A outstanding environmental protection award because of your efforts to reduce the damage wakes cause to shore lines and the wide variety of species that reside there🤗🤗🤗

What was that rock group that sang “ You got to fight, for the right, to party” ?

Should that group be charged each time a nut carries a gun into a bar?

[Moveon]

[QUOTE=ZoraSpook;583842]You mean facts like L Cheney said when 2-3 weeks before 6 Jan the feds knew the plans were in place for an attack and Dems refused NG?

Let's take this one at a time. How in the hell could the Dems do anything about this when Trump was still the President and still in charge of the Military and his Croney Miller was still in charge of the National Guard?

There were no standing down orders coming from the Democrats. There were standing down orders given by Trump who told the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by. Remember that? I sure do. And there is more. I will find a copy of a letter sent from Miller and post it here too.


The capital police board handles those issues, and they consist of the house Sgt-at-arms, the senate Sgt-at-arms, and the architect of the capitol.
Yes, the house Sgt-at-arms reports to the speaker, but the senate Sgt-at-arms reported to McConnell who was majority leader.
So, are you claiming McConnell was in on it?

And then there is the Miller letter: Please read the letter in the first link below:


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/na...-capitol-riot/

https://apnews.com/article/fact-chec...R8warTRFGsklQU

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...96e_story.html

[ZoraSpook]

[QUOTE=Moveon;583853]

You mean facts like L Cheney said when 2-3 weeks before 6 Jan the feds knew the plans were in place for an attack and Dems refused NG?

Let's take this one at a time. How in the hell could the Dems do anything about this when Trump was still the President and still in charge of the Military and his Croney Miller was still in charge of the National Guard?

There were no standing down orders coming from the Democrats. There were standing down orders given by Trump who told the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by. Remember that? I sure do. And there is more. I will find a copy of a letter sent from Miller and post it here too.


The capital police board handles those issues, and they consist of the house Sgt-at-arms, the senate Sgt-at-arms, and the architect of the capitol.
Yes, the house Sgt-at-arms reports to the speaker, but the senate Sgt-at-arms reported to McConnell who was majority leader.
So, are you claiming McConnell was in on it?

And then there is the Miller letter: Please read the letter in the first link below:


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/na...-capitol-riot/

https://apnews.com/article/fact-chec...R8warTRFGsklQU

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...96e_story.html

HEY, DO YOU READ THE STUFF YOU POST?
FIRST LINK
What's TrueA Jan. 4 memo authored by Miller and obtained by Snopes required Department of Defense officials to seek his approval before D.C. National Guard members could use weapons at upcoming pro-Trump demonstrations.



What's FalseThe memo did not order any person or entity to "disarm" — or take weapons away from — National Guard members ahead of the deadly Capitol siege.

[ZoraSpook]

[QUOTE=Moveon;583853][QUOTE=ZoraSpook;583842]
How in the hell could the Dems do anything about this when Trump was still the President and still in charge of the Military and his Croney Miller was still in charge of the National Guard? (READ THE CONSTITUTION, C NGB CAN'T AUTHORIZE FEDERALIZATION OF NG, PRESIDENT DOES THAT, C NGB ONLY THEN EXECUTES THE ORDERDS HE'S GIVEN)

There were no standing down orders coming from the Democrats. There were standing down orders given by Trump who told the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by. (THANKS FOR GIVING TRUMP CREDIT AS TELLING THEM TO STAND DOWN.....IN ENGLISH THAT MEANS DON'T DO IT)

The capital police board handles those issues, and they consist of the house Sgt-at-arms, the senate Sgt-at-arms, and the architect of the capitol.
Yes, the house Sgt-at-arms reports to the speaker, but the senate Sgt-at-arms reported to McConnell who was majority leader.
So, are you claiming McConnell was in on it? (NO, PELOSI AS MAJORITY LEADER OF THE HOUSE IS THE ONE THAT IS CHARGED WITH CAPITAL SECURITY, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA AT ALL ABOUT HOW THIS STUFF IS SUPPOSED TO WORK OR DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AND THEN BEND FACTS TO SUPPORT IT?)

And then there is the Miller letter: Please read the letter in the first link below:

I DID DID YOU?
What's TrueA Jan. 4 memo authored by Miller and obtained by Snopes required Department of Defense officials to seek his approval before D.C. National Guard members could use weapons at upcoming pro-Trump demonstrations.



What's FalseThe memo did not order any person or entity to "disarm" — or take weapons away from — National Guard members ahead of the deadly Capitol siege.

[ZoraSpook]

No sir, I hold the people that physically conducted unlawful acts accountable including trespassing, destruction of property, assault on law enforcement officers.

We cant start with the foregone conclusion that Trump organized it when this kangaroo court has provided no evidence of that. This group has shown evidence a radical group did plan violence and execute it.

Ask yourself: if a politician says “ fight for your rights”, does that justify you taking the comment out of context and using a gun to shoot a political opponent? Of course not. If so Shummer ought right now be in jail for his comments before the criminal attempted his attack on a Supreme Court member.

When someone says if you get a bite, you must fight a fish, does that mean the fisherman should be carrying a gun and brass knuckles? Of course not.

There is only one person at the source of a crime, he who makes the personal decision to commit it.

Last point, when a person in Congress is assigned and accepts the position with duties that include the defense of the capital are made aware of an impending attack and take no responsible action to prevent it, YES SIR, that person with that duty to perform is derelict in their duties and therefore negligent, and culpable. Same as a boat skipper who fails to insure his boat is safe before inviting passengers aboard.

Last point, in recognition of your paddle boat use because of high fuel costs, I nominate your for an E P A outstanding environmental protection award because of your efforts to reduce the damage wakes cause to shore lines and the wide variety of species that reside there珞珞珞

What was that rock group that sang “ You got to fight, for the right, to party” ?

Should that group be charged each time a nut carries a gun into a bar?

FOLLOWUP TO CLARIFY FOR THOSE THAT NORMALLY READ IN BRAILLE:
1. Trump = President, for this example we'll say he's the boat manufacturer.
2. Pelosi = Dems Speaker, for this example we'll say she's the boat owner and skipper
3. Proud Boys = Radical Group, for this example we'll say they are the passengers on the boat.

Boat maker rates boat for 8 people (Trump), then invites people to buy and use it
Pelosi buys boat as the 4th owner of it 20 years later, fails to check the hull for leaks, fails to put life jackets on board, and fails to make sure the bilge pump works.
Proud Boys show up to ride on the boat and there is 50 of them. Pelosi knows there are too many, does nothing to limit the folks coming (NO NG) allows the people to enter the boat, and still puts the boat off the dock and out to sea.

The boat at sea now starts to sink, and 1/2 the passengers start tearing things up trying to find life jackets to save them. The boat sinks and 1/2 the people on board are drowned. The other half on the boat passengers act responsibly, do yell and scream for help, don't damage anything, don't cause the boat to sink, don't attack the captain of the boat, and just paddle away from the bad situation.

So, are you going to blame the boat sinking on the Boat Maker, the idiot owner, or the 50 folks that showed up for a boat ride? The boat owner controls safety, maintenance, and boat security which includes who boards or not.

[stripernut1]

[QUOTE=ZoraSpook;583856]FOLLOWUP TO CLARIFY FOR THOSE THAT NORMALLY READ IN BRAILLE:
1. Trump = President, for this example we'll say he's the boat manufacturer.
2. Pelosi = Dems Speaker, for this example we'll say she's the boat owner and skipper
3. Proud Boys = Radical Group, for this example we'll say they are the passengers on the boat.

Boat maker rates boat for 8 people (Trump), then invites people to buy and use it
Pelosi buys boat as the 4th owner of it 20 years later, fails to check the hull for leaks, fails to put life jackets on board, and fails to make sure the bilge pump works.
Proud Boys show up to ride on the boat and there is 50 of them. Pelosi knows there are too many, does nothing to limit the folks coming (NO NG) allows the people to enter the boat, and still puts the boat off the dock and out to sea.

The boat at sea now starts to sink, and 1/2 the passengers start tearing things up trying to find life jackets to save them. The boat sinks and 1/2 the people on board are drowned. The other half on the boat passengers act responsibly, do yell and scream for help, don't damage anything, don't cause the boat to sink, don't attack the captain of the boat, and just paddle away from the bad situation.

So, are you going to blame the boat sinking on the Boat Maker, the idiot owner, or the 50 folks that showed up for a boat ride? The boat owner controls safety, maintenance, and boat security which includes who boards or

Those 50 passengers didn't come to ride the boat, they came to take it by violent force and wrongfully give it back to the manufacturer, and if that wasn't possible, sink it.The captain being the useless navigator that she is truly hoped the manufacturer would do the honorable thing and drop the whole farce.
Great analogy, you dumbed it down so even someone like myself can understand it.

[Moveon]

[QUOTE=ZoraSpook;583854]

HEY, DO YOU READ THE STUFF YOU POST?
FIRST LINK
What's TrueA Jan. 4 memo authored by Miller and obtained by Snopes required Department of Defense officials to seek his approval before D.C. National Guard members could use weapons at upcoming pro-Trump demonstrations.



What's FalseThe memo did not order any person or entity to "disarm" — or take weapons away from — National Guard members ahead of the deadly Capitol siege.

By ordering them to go through him and him not being available he disarmed the National Guard for almost 3 or 4 hours which they thought was enough time to hang mike pence.

[ZoraSpook]

[QUOTE=Moveon;583859]

By ordering them to go through him and him not being available he disarmed the National Guard for almost 3 or 4 hours which they thought was enough time to hang mike pence.

Sounds like they ought be calling you as a witness. do you really have first hand knowledge that this is an accurate statement and not conjecture?