World record bass caught

[bullmerc]

Sounds like some one is butt hurt that the fish wasnt caught in the U.S. What I have in bold makes absolutely NO SENSE. I think my 2 yo has better logic skills then you.

I've made my argument without making rude comments. Please allow me the same courtesy.

I don't give a rats as* where a fish is caught as long as it hasn't been given an unfair advantage. Our native bass have to endure all the natural controls that has developed over eons to maintain a healthy balance. A bass introduced into Japaneese waters don't have to face these same perils. IF THIS DOES NOT GIVE THE TRANSPLANT AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR POSITION???????????????????

If the bass in question is a native species to Japan then I remove my complaint.

[bullmerc]

Would that count on all of the Texas bass as well? Their Share-a-Lunker program is pretty similar to what you are talking about.

Exactly. Enjoy catching the large fish BUT don't try to manipulate a RECORD out of the process.

If records are allowed to be broken in such manners then the honor of such records is diminshed or removed. LETS ALL BUILD A RECORD POND AND RAISE US A NEW WORLD RECORD FISH.

A similar situation exists in professional sports. Steroids and other drugs enabling athletes to run faster longer and be stronger than their counterparts enables them to breaK RECORDS that athletes who were drug-free set. SHOULD THESE RECORDS THAT THESE DRUG ABUSING ATHLETES BE COUNTED???????????????????????

[bigrod]

I have a question about the use of steroids in sports. I don't agree with them but my question is how do we know that athletes before now weren't using, I mean they were not tested back then and peformance enhancing drugs have been around for a long while.

[BPenrod]

Nevermind.

[bullmerc]

I have a question about the use of steroids in sports. I don't agree with them but my question is how do we know that athletes before now weren't using, I mean they were not tested back then and peformance enhancing drugs have been around for a long while.

I really don't think steroids or other enhancing drugs have been a part of the sporting world for more than the past 30 to 40 years. Granted there might have been athletes who devised some way to cheat but normally they were found out. The big drug kick in America really didn't materialize until the late 60's and 70's (the hippie culture). Sure there have been abusers since the beginning of recorded time but it was the hippie culture that brought drug use/abuse out of the shadows and into everyday society.

By making a comparison between Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds the one who used enhancement drugs is quite obvious. The same applies to Sammy Sosa and Willie Mays. The athletes who resort to "something extra" is quite obviious.

I made the reference to athletes as a comparison. This is a discussion about a record breaking bass not drug addicted professional athletes. My point was that anytime a RECORD is broken via some form of manipulation the NEW ROCORD should be dis-allowed. This is simple basic fairness.

[JD7.62]

So yes or no. If a world record LMB is caught in Texas or California, would you consider it legit?

[Webby709]

I really don't think steroids or other enhancing drugs have been a part of the sporting world for more than the past 30 to 40 years. Granted there might have been athletes who devised some way to cheat but normally they were found out. The big drug kick in America really didn't materialize until the late 60's and 70's (the hippie culture). Sure there have been abusers since the beginning of recorded time but it was the hippie culture that brought drug use/abuse out of the shadows and into everyday society.

By making a comparison between Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds the one who used enhancement drugs is quite obvious. The same applies to Sammy Sosa and Willie Mays. The athletes who resort to "something extra" is quite obviious.

I made the reference to athletes as a comparison. This is a discussion about a record breaking bass not drug addicted professional athletes. My point was that anytime a RECORD is broken via some form of manipulation the NEW ROCORD should be dis-allowed. This is simple basic fairness.

Performance enhancing drugs have been used since the dawn of man. it's only recently that we have been doing what we can to track it down. There is no way to be sure there isn't someone in the hall of fame right now (even the guys you mentioned) that did or didn't use them. We only have the word of the players and as most of us know the word of drug users isn't exactly trust worthy. So your obvious isn't so obvious.

all of our fisheries in the US have been modified by man in some way shape or form. there is not one body of pristine water left in the US. Even our farm ponds have been polluted with hormones and other chemicals from farming and landscaping industries that could be seen as enhancing the ecosystem. When you enhance that water you enhance everything that lives in it for better or worse.

As said before if you don't like the idea that Japan tied or holds the record then improve our fisheries or improve your angling either way stop trying to improve your excuse.

Please just drop your train wreck of an excuse. It's increasingly more difficult to watch, you are ruining a wonderful thread and making a fool out of American Sport fishermen

[bullmerc]

Let's put my argument in prospective. Say your kid is a very talented 11 year old who dominates his age group in baseball. He set several records in his age group and recieved trophies and placques to acknowledge his accomplishments. You as a parent are very proud of your kids achievements.
Next year a kid moves into the area and completely wipes out all your kids records. The new kid is supposed to be the same age as your kid was but he shows all the signs of being much older by having a full beard and other signs of maturity. The athletic association doesn't challenge this new kids credentials showing him to be 11 years old and allows him to be entered into the record books and taking your kids name out. Would this be fair to your kid?????????????????????????????

By manipulating a species, whether with intent to break a record or not, should dis-allow the speciman in question. Records are important to us because of the difficulty in the achievement. When new records are allowed where some form of manipulation is concerned this belittles the entire records program.

Florida strain bass introduced into Texas, California or Japan waters is species manipulation and any such fish should not be allowed to be entered as offical records.

[Webby709]

Let's put my argument in prospective. Say your kid is a very talented 11 year old who dominates his age group in baseball. He set several records in his age group and recieved trophies and placques to acknowledge his accomplishments. You as a parent are very proud of your kids achievements.
Next year a kid moves into the area and completely wipes out all your kids records. The new kid is supposed to be the same age as your kid was but he shows all the signs of being much older by having a full beard and other signs of maturity. The athletic association doesn't challenge this new kids credentials showing him to be 11 years old and allows him to be entered into the record books and taking your kids name out. Would this be fair to your kid?????????????????????????????

By manipulating a species, whether with intent to break a record or not, should dis-allow the speciman in question. Records are important to us because of the difficulty in the achievement. When new records are allowed where some form of manipulation is concerned this belittles the entire records program.

Florida strain bass introduced into Texas, California or Japan waters is species manipulation and any such fish should not be allowed to be entered as offical records.

You aren't comparing apples to apples. The analogy you are using has nothing to do with this Bass or how it became what it was or how the guy caught it.

[JD7.62]

Would a record count if it was caught in Florida in a lake that was managed by the state to maintain a healthy sport fish population? By the way you are trying to define "species manipulation" that shouldnt count either right?

[MASBASS]

I have a silly question, if the bass should not be counted because it was a transplant (in easier terms brought into an area that it is not native too) then what about a world record caught in say Cal or Texas? If I remember correctly both states transplanted the Florida strain Largemouth bass years ago to try and grow a world class fish. If that is so then they should not be able to count a world class fish unless it is tested to be a native strain because they have been tranplanted and introduced (enhanced) into an envirment that gives them the edge. Kind of a double edge sword there be careful.

[bullmerc]

Performance enhancing drugs have been used since the dawn of man. it's only recently that we have been doing what we can to track it down. There is no way to be sure there isn't someone in the hall of fame right now (even the guys you mentioned) that did or didn't use them. We only have the word of the players and as most of us know the word of drug users isn't exactly trust worthy. So your obvious isn't so obvious.

all of our fisheries in the US have been modified by man in some way shape or form. there is not one body of pristine water left in the US. Even our farm ponds have been polluted with hormones and other chemicals from farming and landscaping industries that could be seen as enhancing the ecosystem. When you enhance that water you enhance everything that lives in it for better or worse.

As said before if you don't like the idea that Japan tied or holds the record then improve our fisheries or improve your angling either way stop trying to improve your excuse.

Please just drop your train wreck of an excuse. It's increasingly more difficult to watch, you are ruining a wonderful thread and making a fool out of American Sport fishermen

Have YOU even READ anything I have posted in the topic??????????? Obviously you only pick a word here and there and then make your judgement.

If your assesment of the subject matter were correct anyone with the money and the know how could manipulate any species of critter in order to "build" them a NEW WORLD RECORD. I can see it now a pond sanitized and climate controlled and stocked with only record class bass offspring and fed as many trout and other highly nutritious food sources as they can handle and within a few years some guy says he tossed a bait into the water and what do you know a 30 pound bass and a NEW WORLD RECORD.

If this is your idea of a fair and level playing field then that is your right but don't try to demonize myself or others for standing up for what we feel is right.

The only FOOLS in American sportfishing will be the ones who bow down and enbrace this NEW WORLD RECORD.