Cap-And-Trade Will Cost

[slippedcork]

Oh boy, yes indeed, we WILL PAY! Take it to the bank and count it!

You mean there will be a bank to take anything to left! I thought from all the rhetoric the economy would fail completely and we all would be working for the good of the communist society. On a serious note, do any of you consider the people in this country who die because they cant afford medical care or medicine? I have a good job and an excellent health benefit plan. Think about the family who struggles to make the rent payment, electric bill, water bill, food bill and I could list numerous bills I can afford. Suppose you and your wife have a car accident with lets say 3 children. The children and your wife are ok but you are paralized completely. You have the rent, electric,water,food and medical bills coming in that your wife cant meet. Who would you expect to come to the rescue? Taadaa, the government programs available to YOU! If you guessed something other than a gov program I am all EARS because I want to know how you and your wife would pay for all of these bills while keeping you alive? Sue the doctor would be an option, sue the person who caused your accident is a possibility. Other than that how would you provide for your family?

[Tom523]

I believe that Obama is killing the american dream of working hard and getting rich. His policies are taking away the incentive. Why would anyone want to make ove 250 K when it will just go to someone else!

[DJD]

You mean there will be a bank to take anything to left! I thought from all the rhetoric the economy would fail completely and we all would be working for the good of the communist society. On a serious note, do any of you consider the people in this country who die because they cant afford medical care or medicine? I have a good job and an excellent health benefit plan. Think about the family who struggles to make the rent payment, electric bill, water bill, food bill and I could list numerous bills I can afford. Suppose you and your wife have a car accident with lets say 3 children. The children and your wife are ok but you are paralized completely. You have the rent, electric,water,food and medical bills coming in that your wife cant meet. Who would you expect to come to the rescue? Taadaa, the government programs available to YOU! If you guessed something other than a gov program I am all EARS because I want to know how you and your wife would pay for all of these bills while keeping you alive? Sue the doctor would be an option, sue the person who caused your accident is a possibility. Other than that how would you provide for your family?

How is that my problem? Bad things happen all the time and some people get through it by having insurance and family but you see it as having the gubment to take care of it. I don't...The gubment programs are there for people who need it not life long and generations long abusers.

That scenario is a tear jerker but thats the typical tactice of the left. What about the person that works their tail off and sacrifices, pays bills and is a productive member of society? Why is he taxed to death while others ride for free? Why? Maybe if your "example" guy wasn't taxed so much he could afford the insurance to sustain his family in your scenario or have saved money for the tough times instead of being targeted for being a productive member of society.

The economy is falling apart jobs are still being lost and this is after we bailed out large corps and are printing money like crazy. How many billions or trillions have we spent? Our gubment has cashed out with the Chinese with every refinancing of our future generations. You call that rhetoric?? I know you implied you were playing around but I see it as a more serious issue. Especially since the Lib obama acted like he could fix it without raising taxes and pushed his agenda through without anyone reading or knowing what it was. So that economic recovery debacle isn't fixed but you are willing to spend trillions more to start another gubment program?? Sounds down right ridiculous to me..

[psprowler]

. Suppose you and your wife have a car accident with lets say 3 children. The children and your wife are ok but you are paralized completely. You have the rent, electric,water,food and medical bills coming in that your wife cant meet. Who would you expect to come to the rescue?

Nobody. Pay those with the 6 months worth of emergency money you have saved up and go from there. We only have 2 kids though, because even though we have the right to have as many as we want we had 2 because it's what we thought we could afford.

"hard times" less often fall on those who make good decisions throughout their lives.

[Mean Morone]

I can't believe someone would watch Bush grow government, spend money like a drunken whatever and then say they had to support him because he is our president. If you saw him doing something wrong you should have spoken up. I'm not waiting 8 yrs under BHO without saying anything. I want to know what constitutional ideals he is basing his decisions on.

The dems and repubs will both raise your taxes. It's the conservative presidents that let you keep more of your money. As far as getting 4500 to trade in my clunker(which doesn't qualify) so that we will purchase a new car bought from a company that the government runs, I would rather have the government say keep 4500 of your own money and go buy what you want. I need new furniture not a new car. I wouldn't mind buying a boat, but that doesn't count either. No I think the only money that the government should hold on to while in the middle of a recesion is enough money to keep us safe. We know better how to spend our money. They can keep their government motors.

[Devils Horse]

You mean there will be a bank to take anything to left! I thought from all the rhetoric the economy would fail completely and we all would be working for the good of the communist society. On a serious note, do any of you consider the people in this country who die because they cant afford medical care or medicine? I have a good job and an excellent health benefit plan. Think about the family who struggles to make the rent payment, electric bill, water bill, food bill and I could list numerous bills I can afford. Suppose you and your wife have a car accident with lets say 3 children. The children and your wife are ok but you are paralized completely. You have the rent, electric,water,food and medical bills coming in that your wife cant meet. Who would you expect to come to the rescue? Taadaa, the government programs available to YOU! If you guessed something other than a gov program I am all EARS because I want to know how you and your wife would pay for all of these bills while keeping you alive? Sue the doctor would be an option, sue the person who caused your accident is a possibility. Other than that how would you provide for your family?

Your hero used the great depression rhetoric to get the unread 900 billion stimulus bill passed, so scoff at him. If folks like you help him get his way, we'll wind up a social democracy at best.

It is not realistic to expect the government to address every catasrophe that befalls everyone, it just plain doesn't work. Look at the states who've implemented government style healthcare and moved toward socialism. Go ahead. California? Massachusetts? Is bankruptcy the change you're hungry for? As Don said leave the tired bleeding heart scare tactics out of it, and start making some sense.

Psprowler nailed it, that attitude is what made this country great. Yours is what's wrong with it.

Change has become the most abused word in history.

[kyfanatic]

SlippedCork,you think Govt run/socialist healthcare is so great? What happens is,they ration it out so that everybody is limited to a certain amount.People such as my father who are at a certain age and will cost so much to take care of are pushed aside because it's cheaper to let them die than care for them.
Well,I say f%^& Obama,my father fought through France and Germany in WWII,if it weren't for people like him you would be speaking German,He worked from the time he was a teen well past the time he could retire and paid more than his share into the system barely touching any of it,yet you want me tell him he's not worth a treatrment because Obama and the Commies say he isn't,stick socialist ideas where the sun doesn't shine.
Tell,the sorry dems to quit taxing me to death on everything I touch and me and my family will be just fine.
Wonder how many of Obama's family fought to protect this country? Want the answer? NADA,ZIP,ZILCH,NONE,NOT A ONE.

[Chubminnow]

Suppose you and your wife have a car accident with lets say 3 children. The children and your wife are ok but you are paralized completely. You have the rent, electric,water,food and medical bills coming in that your wife cant meet. Who would you expect to come to the rescue? Taadaa, the government programs available to YOU! If you guessed something other than a gov program I am all EARS because I want to know how you and your wife would pay for all of these bills while keeping you alive? Sue the doctor would be an option, sue the person who caused your accident is a possibility. Other than that how would you provide for your family?

I'm not sure you're really into NObama as much as you say you are or if you're really more into stirring the pot behind the comfort of a computer screen, I have yet to meet one soul (besides YOU) who is siding with NObama...Their's a plan in place right now isn't there? Isn't it called social security and/or disability? I have a female friend who had to quit work due to pancreatic cancer. Granted she wasn't in a car wreck, but her illness doesn't allow her to work any longer...she's collecting her social security and such and making ends meet. She's also brought a lot of heart warming things to light about life in general since out of all her friends and family that she has she is the one who's facing death for sure in the not to distant future.

NObama is a joke, his administration is a joke, his entire presidency is a joke and I'm doing everything I can to spread the word not only on this website but every website I frequent as well as face-to-face conversations with folks I meet.

[slippedcork]

Hey Chub, I will admit to stirring the pot a little. I am like most of you except I differ about the programs avaliable to us all. Like most of you if I became unemployed I would want unemployment benefits. If I became disabled I would want to draw disability. You get the idea where I am going im sure. Someone in a previous post said if they were not taxed so much they could afford medical insurance and take care of any family disatsers. It dont take much of a disaster to run up a medical bill of 200,000$. But dont worry because you have insurance. What about the ones who are not as fortunate as you to be able to afford insurance? You will say they can get free care at the emergency room. You will say they can just die because they are too lazy to work. You can ignore the problem because it dont affect you. People are dying in this country and thats a fact. Alot of people had rather pay taxes for a good road to drive on and pay taxes for unemployment benefits and for disability and could care less about the less fortunate. I care about the ones who cant afford anything but free air to breathe thats polluted.

[kyfanatic]

Yep,but it's okay to let MILLIONS of illegals cross into this country and run up enormous bills in free Healthcare,public schools and services,and our judicial/penal system.The total cost of these ILLEGALS is staggering,and most don't pay taxes.
Then again we can always send Billions to every 3rd world slime hole country that hates us to start with instead of helping those to sorry to work.Outsource our jobs offshore and expect us to pay for the product.
Please explain why someone who has worked their tail off their whole life to have something should be forced to give it up and make everyone equal?

[pontooner]

Wonder how many of Obama's family fought to protect this country? Want the answer? NADA,ZIP,ZILCH,NONE,NOT A ONE.

His grandfather was in WWII.

During World War II, Stanley Dunham enlisted in the Army. He served with the 1830th Ordnance Supply and Maintenance Company. During D-Day, this unit helped to support the 9th Air Force. They were deployed in France six weeks after D-Day.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Armour_Dunham

[dpage70]

Suppose you and your wife have a car accident with lets say 3 children. The children and your wife are ok but you are paralized completely. You have the rent, electric,water,food and medical bills coming in that your wife cant meet. Who would you expect to come to the rescue? Taadaa, the government programs available to YOU! If you guessed something other than a gov program I am all EARS because I want to know how you and your wife would pay for all of these bills while keeping you alive? Sue the doctor would be an option, sue the person who caused your accident is a possibility. Other than that how would you provide for your family?

That ideology my friend is exactly the problem with the direction this country is going now. Here's how you take care of it. YOU save YOUR money and YOU don't overspend YOUR paycheck so YOU have enough money to build up an emergency fund to cover YOUR butt. You don't count on anything other than what YOU make. MY savings account is MINE and no one else's. This idea that the government should take care of me because I was to stupid to save my own money is pathetic. Sorry to use such harsh language but that crap just pisses me off to no end. Be responsible for your own actions and don't EXPECT the rest of us to do it for you. Some can't take care of themselves and I am more than happy to help out there but if you CAN take care of yourself then YOU are responsible for doing it, NOT ME. This administration wants me to pay for everyone else and that's just crap. My money is mine, I earn it, I save it, I'm responsible for it and I should be able to spend it in the manner that I want. I give to charities that help the needy, THAT'S MY CHOICE which is exactly what democracy IS. Telling me how I'm going to spend my money is what socialism IS. That's all I have to say about that.