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For all you socialized medicine LOVERS out there ..here are some interesting statistics:
These figures reflect the care available to all Americans, not just those with private health coverage. Great Britain, known for its 50-year-old government-run, universal health care system, fares worse than the European average:
American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a cancer diagnosis, compared to 56 percent for European women.
American men have a five-year survival rate of 66 percent compared to only 47 percent for European men.
For women, only three European countries (Sweden, Belgium and Switzerland) have an overall survival rate of more than 60 percent
Among European countries, only Sweden has an overall survival rate for men of more than 60 percent.
For women, the average survival rate for all cancers is 61 percent in the United States, compared to 58 percent in Canada.
For men, the average survival rate for all cancers is 57 percent in the United States, compared to 53 percent in Canada.
British men have a five-year survival rate of only 45 percent; women, only 53 percent.
In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain.
In the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly a higher percentage than in Australia, Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.
I bring this up AGAIN.......because the GUBMENT in their infinite wisdom has changed the age when people should get PREVENTATIVE care.......I thought their whole plan is about PREVENTING disease......
MSNBC's TAKE on the matter:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33973665...womens_health/
A Real NEWS organization's take on the MATTER:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...commendations/
The Obamunists are coming...........the OBAMUNISTS are coming........
Later,
Geo
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Yawn....zzzzzzzzzzz.
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Sorry you feel that way bug..........Originally Posted by bassin_bug
I hope I'm WRONG.......but unfortunately, I don't believe I am.
Later,
Geo
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Now youre getting the pleasure of its response!
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The reason I feel the way I do is the truth is seldom told because, if it was, the American Cancer Society and Cancer Research Centers would be out of grant money. Another reason is because doctors don't always tell their patients the truth and almost every research project that has come out has turned out to be bogus. Aside from cancer research, do you remember things like 'eggs cause too much cholesterol,' and they made it sound like if you tasted an egg you would fall over dead with a heart attack; now they say eggs pose no threat to the heart. More than 2 cups of coffee a day was bad for your heart, now it's good for it. Two glasses of wine a day was good for the heart; now wine provides no greater benefits to the heart than eating grapes; actually fresh grapes provide greater nutrition. Cancer research started before the space program. If the United States can put a man on the moon, why haven't researchers already found a cure for cancer?
Did you see the report yesterday morning about various charities, hard working people were donating money to, and where a huge chunk of the money was going? Expensive fundraisers paid for by donors, automobiles, expense accounts, and large salaries. The director of the United Way was giving herself approximately $750,000 a year in salary; she has recently been fired because she had already been warned twice. Her replacement gave herself a $150,000/year salary. I won't list the others but this is an example. One religious charity is paying its director $1.7 million/year in salary.
According to the CDC, breast cancer patients average survival rate is 5 years but reports released Monday said women under age 50 didn't need a mammogram but every 2 years. Are we to take it that people under 50 don't get breast cancer? What if someone gets it right after their mammogram and have waited 2 years to find out they have it, already in advanced stages? I have a friend who said when she was 19 years old, married for a year and pregnant was told she had terminal breast cancer. She had surgery, and was advised to abort the baby because the chemotherapy would kill it. She refused to abort or have chemo treatments; both are alive and healthy and it has been 40 years. My sister was 25 years old and had a sore lymph node. The doctor told her it was malignant but hadn't spread; she went to New Orleans for precautionary treatment and they told her she didn't have anything to worry about because the cancer was gone. Exactly 6 months later she died and left two babies, still in diapers, without a mother; they cried for 2 years and ripped the sheets off the beds looking for her.
Cancer treatments are a moneymaker for doctors and hospitals and cancer patients are caught in the crossfire because they are the victims. My sister-in-law had lung cancer and spent around a million dollars on treatments over a two-year period. When she told the doctor that she was broke he told her he would see if there was something else he could do. The next day he called and said he checked and new "research" showed she had already received sufficient chemo. A month later she was sitting on the sofa having tea with a relative when she fell over. She was taken to the hospital and died the next day.
There is so much conflicting information on cancer causes, survival and death rates, nobody knows what the truth is. imo
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Re: Interesting Cancer suvivor Rates.
Now youre getting the pleasure of its response!
As usual, you just blow off some stupid crap not related to the topic.
Unlike YOU, I take the time to think before I give an answer on serious topics. His answer was directed toward me and I don't need you answering for me. I know a lot more about cancer than you do. Surprise us all and tell us in one word, or less, what you know about cancer.
I am a cancer survivor........TWICE.
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Happy to hear you beat it twice Bug.My mom has done the same thing and it has been a scary ride each time.
I'm not comfortable with Doctors after going through what we just did with my dad. Just like any profession you have good and bad.....and that really sukks for the people who are faced with terrible diseases.
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This is scary in my opinion. Yes there are alot of variables. But early detection is the key and for me that isn't a debate.
More big Government playing God, this administration will go down in history as the biggest collection of complete idiot Morons that has ever been assembled.
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Im curious what you were thinkin when you yawned and zzzzzzzed? Guess that means tomorrow.Im trying to figer you out and I just about got it.
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Happy to hear you beat it twice Bug.
I'm not comfortable with Doctors after going through what we just did with my dad. Just like any profession you have good and bad.....and that really sukks for the people who are faced with terrible diseases.
The last time I had cancer was over six years ago and I am fine; I don't even think about it. Fortunately for me, after the initial shock, a calming peace settled over me and I was never afraid. The second cancer was a different type than the first and neither was breast cancer; after surgery I didn't need further treatment. One was Level III.
The reason I mentioned breast cancer is because the CDC is not in the habit of revealing statistics on teenage girls who have it. Statistics are scarce on the number of men who also get it. It seems to me like they think only middle-age and elderly have the disease. jmo
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