Don't ask Don't Tell

[mhall]

I think the policy ought to change to:

"Don't ask, because who cares"
Do we ask if a white soldier is married to a black girl?
Do we ask if a black soldier is married to a Chinese girl?
Do we care if the soldier is a catholic, protestant or jewish?
Do we care if he likes the Yankees or the Phillies?
Do you have to be married, or prevented from serving if you are not married?
Do you have to be single to serve?


It's a free and open society, and our constitution says folks can live and serve here from all walks of life and from all persuasions. We allow in our society for folks to follow any religious belief that does not violate law. Some religions frown on homosexuality, but relgion is not law. Nothing in the constitution forbids freedom of sexual preference. No law forbids this activity.

So, "Don't ask, because we don't care".

What we do care about is a citizens willingness to freely serve his country and to willingly go in harms way to protect it. Any human being who takes on that level of responsibility, dedication, and selfless service deserves my admiration, no matter what he or she elects as a sexual preference.

This is EXACTLY what I have been trying to say..................

[RoadToad]

How does that work for men and women who live together and decide not to get married? Do they get to claim life partners and enjoy the same benefits? Tax benefits?

Corporate benefits depend on the company. Where I work, you can put your "domestic partner" on your benefits, although I'm not sure if/how that would work for a same sex couple in KY, and sorry but I'm not calling HR to find out . I know Kentucky doesn't recognize same-sex marriages, even if they're legal in other states. As far as federal taxes, domestic partners are considered as single, but California and some other states let domestic partners file joint state taxes. I don't think KY does, but i haven't checked.

Call me old fashioned but same sex couples are not a normal match in life. It's not PC to say that but I don't care I'm not running for office. Couples or matches in life are usually done for one reason and that in the end is reproducing. (I understand love and attraction and all the things relationships encompass.)

It's a gift to have a child with someone.....an absolute awesome gift. It's so special and I see it as a miracle to see your child and watch the traits you passed on or the other sex passed on. How can that not be right? If your a parent you have to see that. Right?

The fact that it takes men and women to reproduce (not same sex) tells me more than all the justifying, equal rights and talk that this topic gets. Also, it's hard not to mention Adam and Eve as the way it's supposed to work.

Nobody's arguing that; that's what you believe, and that's cool, but not everybody sees it that way. For some, the "pursuit of happiness" takes them down a different path. So why not let other people live their lives the way THEY see fit, as long as they're not hurting anybody? I hear you guys on the right complaining about how we liberals try to force our ideas on everybody else, but aren't you doing the same thing here? And this happens all the time on this subject. Proposition 8 is a prime example. Special legislation passed for no other purpose than to specifically deny a certain right to a certain group of people.

[DJD]

Corporate benefits depend on the company. Where I work, you can put your "domestic partner" on your benefits, although I'm not sure if/how that would work for a same sex couple in KY, and sorry but I'm not calling HR to find out . I know Kentucky doesn't recognize same-sex marriages, even if they're legal in other states. As far as federal taxes, domestic partners are considered as single, but California and some other states let domestic partners file joint state taxes. I don't think KY does, but i haven't checked.


Nobody's arguing that; that's what you believe, and that's cool, but not everybody sees it that way. For some, the "pursuit of happiness" takes them down a different path. So why not let other people live their lives the way THEY see fit, as long as they're not hurting anybody? I hear you guys on the right complaining about how we liberals try to force our ideas on everybody else, but aren't you doing the same thing here? And this happens all the time on this subject. Proposition 8 is a prime example. Special legislation passed for no other purpose than to specifically deny a certain right to a certain group of people.

LOL why not call HR? Just tell them your calling for a friend.....I guess this comes down to what I believe and nothing more. I just think lines have to be drawn and this is one of them for me.

Prop 8 was a reaction to a decision made by Supreme Court Judges who went against the will of the people. I don't know the political views of the judges at all.

Seems to me that a small group of people were trying to make the larger group accept their way of life not the other way around. Once it became publically known what was going on the people reacted and voted to stop the opponents agenda.

Gay marriage is wrong in my mind, plain and simple. I think it opens up so many other issues that are too numerous to list.

As far as serving in the Military....I welcome them and have never done anything against them but I don't care to know who is or who isn't. What you do when you leave work is your business and don't make it mine.

Where does it stop? Isn't it ok for society to have general rules that we all live by? Rules and laws that we have lived by for how long? Is nothing sacred?

After all "change" for the sake of "change" isn't always good.

[MsgMills]

gottta weigh in on this...IF the law is passed and stands..I believe too much special treatment will be given to say a Sergenat's hidden partner for an assignment...You actually think the sgt. is going to put his partner in harms way when all he has to do is tell pvt. Smucky your on point and his partner is assigned to the rear of the squad for more protection....

Srry but you can't have same sex relationship's in any branch of the military.....Be just as bad as having women on the front line of every combat operation in existance....

So if they pass this law...then women will be filing law suits for the Military to allow them to fight along side men on the front lines as well.......

Thanks Slick Willy for screwing up a perfectly great system to begin with.....

Just my opinion after serving over 20 years in the Military and having served 8 years of that time as a Grunt on the front lines....

[pontooner]

his partner is assigned to the rear of the squad for more protection....

Sorry to break up a serious thread but the subject being discussed and this line made me LOL.

[DJD]

Sorry to break up a serious thread but the subject being discussed and this line made me LOL.

Excellent read man!