So how does GM repay the United States.......

[GeoFisher]

They plan on moving their VOLT line......yea the LINE we freakin paid for with bailout monies....

They are planning on moving it to......drum roll.........CHINA.......

Nothing like supporting a little more COMMUNISM........

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/afte...tion-to-china/

Later,

Geo

[Chubminnow]

Dag gone I hate to hear this...what's sickening more than anything is the picture in the article showing that bafoon of a president we have.

Right now it sounds like GM will move all "future" Electric Vehicle" (EV) "development" to China. It hasn't made it clear as to whether or not "production" of the vehicle itself will be moved there.

What really ticks me off is the fact that China offers a subsidy that amounts to about $19,000 per car ? but ONLY IF the car is made in China!! No imports allowed!!! Come on United States Government, come on United States citizens...get a freakin' clue as to what you're competition is doing. They don't much care for imports in their country, so why the heck should we like them in ours? On top of this there also are tariffs on cars imported to China!

I've been preaching for 30+ years about not buying any foriegn vehicles...I ain't never owned one, my immediate family ain't never owned one...I hope I never have to stoop that low, but you never know. Just like with everything else...we develop something, then we teach China how to make it, then they make it and make it better and sell it cheaper. They'll end up whipping our butts again.

[kydonky]

They plan on moving their VOLT line......yea the LINE we freakin paid for with bailout monies....

They are planning on moving it to......drum roll.........CHINA.......

Nothing like supporting a little more COMMUNISM........

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/afte...tion-to-china/

Later,

Geo

Geo, I clicked the link in your post. It took me to a site I had to register to read the article. I prefer not to register to read news. Other than that I could not find a single comfirming article anywhere on the web. Is this Blaze site an independant news site? How come they are the only ones reporting this?..not even FOX news.

As patriotic as American big businesses are, its hard to believe any of them would mover a production line out of the USA. Look at Haliburton...a significant defense supplier and a Texas iconic company...whoops I forgot they move headquarters to Saudia Arabia...never mind.

Anyway we need to deregulate not just banking and securities but all industry along with exempting them form any liability. Perhaps we can buy their loyalty back.

[kydonky]

Ok GEO!

I finally found an article about this venture on CNN site.

If GM gives their technology on electric cars to China they will lose any sympathy from me.

There is no doubt in my mind that they will not be able to protect these trade secrets once they begin development outside of the US (may not be able to protect them within the US).

Even if production is not moved to China, they will clone these cars faster and cheaper than snot.

This appears to be another great patriotic decision by a corperate CEO.

As far as paying off stimulas loans, they will probably do that at least they on track to pay these loans off.

I cannot fault the Administration (Obama) for attempting to save US jobs, but I do fault these corperate CEO A** Holes*** that would sell a Bronze Star for scrap if the price of bronze met their thresholds.

Here in KY we bent over backwards to allow Fruit of the Loom to pump waste products into Lake Cumberland. But that still was not enough tfor them and they moved to Mexico.

[kydonky]

Dag gone I hate to hear this...what's sickening more than anything is the picture in the article showing that bafoon of a president we have.

Right now it sounds like GM will move all "future" Electric Vehicle" (EV) "development" to China. It hasn't made it clear as to whether or not "production" of the vehicle itself will be moved there.

What really ticks me off is the fact that China offers a subsidy that amounts to about $19,000 per car ? but ONLY IF the car is made in China!! No imports allowed!!! Come on United States Government, come on United States citizens...get a freakin' clue as to what you're competition is doing. They don't much care for imports in their country, so why the heck should we like them in ours? On top of this there also are tariffs on cars imported to China!

I've been preaching for 30+ years about not buying any foriegn vehicles...I ain't never owned one, my immediate family ain't never owned one...I hope I never have to stoop that low, but you never know. Just like with everything else...we develop something, then we teach China how to make it, then they make it and make it better and sell it cheaper. They'll end up whipping our butts again.

FYI..bought a new car for the wife in DEC. Looked at a Ford Fusion (made in Mexico) Bought a Toyota Camery (made in Georgetown KY). Can't even trust a name anymore.

[DJD]

So they move these factories for what reason? They cost to much to build here? To operate? What's different here than over there? Unions? Gubment regulations? Why cant the administration be blamed for any of this?? They used our money to keep GM from going under and they just allow them to move on and take how many jobs? I remember hearing GM was strapped with paying pensions and some bad union contracts have made it next to impossible to operate.
Why would anyone blame the business? They have to go where they can prosper ......If the gubment and unions here didn't look for handouts and unfair regulations maybe companies could do business here?
I saw a news clip a few months back about how a senator said these business's keep trying to dodge our us laws so the law makers keep making new ones to try and snag some of their money in taxes and fees. He said its a high stakes game.
The companies play games like having their headquarters in other countries which could amount to a PO box or rented meeting room just to beat some USA regulations. I say why not work with them instead of trying to penalize them for doing business here.

[roadrunner]

Ok GEO!

I finally found an article about this venture on CNN site.

If GM gives their technology on electric cars to China they will lose any sympathy from me.

There is no doubt in my mind that they will not be able to protect these trade secrets once they begin development outside of the US (may not be able to protect them within the US).

Even if production is not moved to China, they will clone these cars faster and cheaper than snot.

This appears to be another great patriotic decision by a corperate CEO.

As far as paying off stimulas loans, they will probably do that at least they on track to pay these loans off.

I cannot fault the Administration (Obama) for attempting to save US jobs, but I do fault these corperate CEO A** Holes*** that would sell a Bronze Star for scrap if the price of bronze met their thresholds.

Here in KY we bent over backwards to allow Fruit of the Loom to pump waste products into Lake Cumberland. But that still was not enough tfor them and they moved to Mexico.

Did you forget the government took over General Motors and Obama's head of corporate Competitiveness is the CEO of GE and they are moving there jet engine plant to China and will furnish China with jet engines for a plane they have copied from Boeing and will compete with Boeing

[kydonky]

So they move these factories for what reason? They cost to much to build here? To operate? What's different here than over there? Unions? Gubment regulations? Why cant the administration be blamed for any of this?? They used our money to keep GM from going under and they just allow them to move on and take how many jobs? I remember hearing GM was strapped with paying pensions and some bad union contracts have made it next to impossible to operate.
Why would anyone blame the business? They have to go where they can prosper ......If the gubment and unions here didn't look for handouts and unfair regulations maybe companies could do business here?
I saw a news clip a few months back about how a senator said these business's keep trying to dodge our us laws so the law makers keep making new ones to try and snag some of their money in taxes and fees. He said its a high stakes game.
The companies play games like having their headquarters in other countries which could amount to a PO box or rented meeting room just to beat some USA regulations. I say why not work with them instead of trying to penalize them for doing business here.

If guess its the benifits of living and doing business in a socialist republic.

[kydonky]

Did you forget the government took over General Motors and Obama's head of corporate Competitiveness is the CEO of GE and they are moving there jet engine plant to China and will furnish China with jet engines for a plane they have copied from Boeing and will compete with Boeing

So GE is an innocent bystander. All of these issues involve decisions of corperate CEO AH's. Shifting the blame to Obama, G W Bush, Clinton or any administration justs help them along. These jobs have been moving since G H Bush.

The root of the problem is corperate greed. I have seen businesses close that were making soild profits, but, were closed because they were not making enough profit. I'm am tired of kissing the banking industry and coperate americans rear end.

[Devils Horse]

Ok GEO!

I finally found an article about this venture on CNN site.

If GM gives their technology on electric cars to China they will lose any sympathy from me.

There is no doubt in my mind that they will not be able to protect these trade secrets once they begin development outside of the US (may not be able to protect them within the US).

Even if production is not moved to China, they will clone these cars faster and cheaper than snot.

This appears to be another great patriotic decision by a corperate CEO.

As far as paying off stimulas loans, they will probably do that at least they on track to pay these loans off.

I cannot fault the Administration (Obama) for attempting to save US jobs, but I do fault these corperate CEO A** Holes*** that would sell a Bronze Star for scrap if the price of bronze met their thresholds.

Here in KY we bent over backwards to allow Fruit of the Loom to pump waste products into Lake Cumberland. But that still was not enough tfor them and they moved to Mexico.

I put the networks and computer systems into the plant in Jamestown you are referring to. It has not moved to Mexico, it is still operating. Granted most of Fruit of the Loom's manufacturing has moved offshore, but only after their competitors Hanes and Guildan did so. The company is certainly not saintly, but even after buying Vanity Fair Intimates and Russell Athletic, they've kept HQ and other operations here, and thousands of Kentuckians are glad of it.

Never heard anything about dumping waste into Cumberland, the lake is several miles away from the plant. What kind of waste are you referring to?

Since CEO's are A-holes, are labor union leaders A-holes too? They are just as money grubbing and wield a lot more power than any given CEO. Just curious. Don't say union leaders are just looking out for the peeps or you'll be taken less seriously than you already are.

[roadrunner]

So GE is an innocent bystander. All of these issues involve decisions of corperate CEO AH's. Shifting the blame to Obama, G W Bush, Clinton or any administration justs help them along. These jobs have been moving since G H Bush.

The root of the problem is corperate greed. I have seen businesses close that were making soild profits, but, were closed because they were not making enough profit. I'm am tired of kissing the banking industry and coperate americans rear end.

The problem is probably more consumer greed if you are not the cheapest and the product is not on sale the public will not buy it and with the tax structure the unions and the litigation in this country corporations have been forced to move off shore to compete. There are a few people that are loyal to America but if we all would pay higher prices to buy only products made in America you would see companies move back to the USA. If you want to see greed I can show you all kinds of people who will not buy gas in our small town because it is .02 cheaper in a larger town seven miles away that is .40 savings on 65.00 purchase and the taxes leave our small town. The real greed is the buying public the businesses are just responding to the market that we set.

[kydonky]

I put the networks and computer systems into the plant in Jamestown you are referring to. It has not moved to Mexico, it is still operating. Granted most of Fruit of the Loom's manufacturing has moved offshore, but only after their competitors Hanes and Guildan did so. The company is certainly not saintly, but even after buying Vanity Fair Intimates and Russell Athletic, they've kept HQ and other operations here, and thousands of Kentuckians are glad of it.

Never heard anything about dumping waste into Cumberland, the lake is several miles away from the plant. What kind of waste are you referring to?

Since CEO's are A-holes, are labor union leaders A-holes too? They are just as money grubbing and wield a lot more power than any given CEO. Just curious. Don't say union leaders are just looking out for the peeps or you'll be taken less seriously than you already are.

In or around 1990 fruit of the Loom was granted a permit to pump brine waste directly into Cumberland Lake. It is carried through a pipeline to the center of the lake where it can be diluted more readily.

I get it...you are anti union, anti Obama. I would prefer pro American any day.

I don't really care who is taken serious or not. That's how I see it.