Time to ban em!

[know1]

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I agree with you but we haven't so far been able to remove the kids from the loser parents and until we are able to do that, forcing people to have kids they either don't want or can't afford to feed does nothing but add to the generation of people we are constantly whining about who take advantage of tax payers, an aborted fetus just might be better off than a child that nobody wants.

Outlawing abortion does not equal "forcing people to have kids".

[know1]

They should do a poll of those "unwanted" kids with "loser parents" and see how many of them want us to murder them to put them out of their misery.

[jcb]

These abortions are taking place in america, we are a free nation with rights. Someone telling a woman she cant have an abortion because of what they "believe" or what they think is "right" is wrong and against her rights.

Freedom doesn't mean we can all just do whatever we want. Every single law we have comes from what someone "believes" or "thinks is right," doesn't it? We don't live in a vacuum. We're all bound by the collective laws we've put together. Right now, abortion is legal, although I think that's wrong. And I have zero--zero--problem working to change that.

You're right, I can't (and I wouldn't) tell a woman she can't have an abortion, because it's legal to have one right now. No one in the right-to-life movement is "telling women they can't have abortions." We are working to make illegal what we feel is an unjust, immoral act through the political process. 'Murica.

Which takes me to another point on this issue - I'm not disqualified from having an opinion, or being active in this political area, because I don't have a uterus. That is a false argument womens' rights group use. This is my society, this is my country too. I don't have a child with Downs Syndrome either, but if there was a law saying that child should be put to death I'd be fighting against that one too.

[Hlleonard]

Outlawing abortion does not equal "forcing people to have kids".

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I know of only two options for a pregnant woman,one is having a baby, the other is having an abortion unless there is a third option I haven't heard about so yes, denying a pregnant woman an abortion is forcing her to have a baby unless you are in the group that believes waggin your finger at her will somehow fix the problem.

[Hlleonard]

How many babies have you taken in? If it's none, what are YOU still doing yackin?

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I have taken in exactly 0 and have no intentions of doing so but then again, I'm not standing in a crowd holding up a sigh demanding somebody have a baby they do not want or can not care for and from what I have read, neither are you... There is a constant roar on this site and others that the welfare system is eating us alive and adding to that count should inflame the right wing but forcing women to have kids and then screaming about them after they are born into that life seems to be what we hear from hardline right wingers... Forcing women to have kids instead of aborting them solves none of the problems yourself and others are always railing about.

[Devils Horse]

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I know of only two options for a pregnant woman,one is having a baby, the other is having an abortion unless there is a third option I haven't heard about so yes, denying a pregnant woman an abortion is forcing her to have a baby unless you are in the group that believes waggin your finger at her will somehow fix the problem.

Here's the option most liberals forget about: Don't do the deed unprotected to begin with.

[Hlleonard]

Here's the option most liberals forget about: Don't do the deed unprotected to begin with.

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I agree that would be the best option but a pregnant woman doesn't seem to have that one and finger waggin serves absolutely no purpose.

[Devils Horse]

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I have taken in exactly 0 and have no intentions of doing so but then again, I'm not standing in a crowd holding up a sigh demanding somebody have a baby they do not want or can not care for and from what I have read, neither are you... There is a constant roar on this site and others that the welfare system is eating us alive and adding to that count should inflame the right wing but forcing women to have kids and then screaming about them after they are born into that life seems to be what we hear from hardline right wingers... Forcing women to have kids instead of aborting them solves none of the problems yourself and others are always railing about.

Not so. Find me railing anywhere about this. The welfare system is not eating us alive, eventhough there is a lot of cheating of the system going on. Nobody from either side would argue that.

Welfare spending is a drop in the bucket of the out of control federal government.

Folks on the left cry out for the government to do more, and are willing to give up their freedoms for it. Folks who believe like I do want the government to go by the constitution this country was founded on and keep our freedoms.

It really is just that simple.

Those on the left justify their beliefs by attacking mine. According to you and your ilk, if I don't believe in big government, I'm throwing babies under the damned bus.

I haven't thrown a single baby under a bus yet so far this week. Not a one.

[Devils Horse]

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I agree that would be the best option but a pregnant woman doesn't seem to have that one and finger waggin serves absolutely no purpose.

Waggin the ole finger is what got them that way to begin with.

[Deven Hall]

If a group of people believe something is wrong, that still doesn't make it wrong or even right for that matter. Its all about choice, the only reason this country exists is because someone decided that we as human beings DO have a choice and everyone is entitled to have a choice in any matter. I stated from the very beginning that I do not agree with abortions, but I do agree with it being someones choice because we are a free nation.

I have read where some people say that they are "protectors" and "guardians" so to speak and they are against abortions. I would bet my life that those same people have not once went to an abortion clinic and tried to stop a woman from going in by offering to pay all of her medical bills during the pregnancy and either adopting the child or helping to find someone to adopt the child. Instead, you just believe what you think is "right" do nothing about it and continue to infringe on others rights.

The day that such an important issues as an american woman's right to have an abortion is taken away, you might as well gather up all of your firearms and take them to the dump. Which I think will just be hilarious because Those of you that think abortions should be illegal and own firearms will be faced with another so called "Good Sheppard" organization that is trying to protect you by getting rid of firearms due school shootings, public shootings and crimes in general involving a gun And your going to whine and cry and say, Oh but that's my CHOICE and my RIGHT to own a gun!!! Just like it was a woman's choice and right to abort her pregnancy which is now gone because "Good Sheppard's" took that away.....

[jcb]

If a group of people believe something is wrong, that still doesn't make it wrong or even right for that matter. Its all about choice, the only reason this country exists is because someone decided that we as human beings DO have a choice and everyone is entitled to have a choice in any matter. I stated from the very beginning that I do not agree with abortions, but I do agree with it being someones choice because we are a free nation.

I have read where some people say that they are "protectors" and "guardians" so to speak and they are against abortions. I would bet my life that those same people have not once went to an abortion clinic and tried to stop a woman from going in by offering to pay all of her medical bills during the pregnancy and either adopting the child or helping to find someone to adopt the child. Instead, you just believe what you think is "right" do nothing about it and continue to infringe on others rights.

The day that such an important issues as an american woman's right to have an abortion is taken away, you might as well gather up all of your firearms and take them to the dump. Which I think will just be hilarious because Those of you that think abortions should be illegal and own firearms will be faced with another so called "Good Sheppard" organization that is trying to protect you by getting rid of firearms due school shootings, public shootings and crimes in general involving a gun And your going to whine and cry and say, Oh but that's my CHOICE and my RIGHT to own a gun!!! Just like it was a woman's choice and right to abort her pregnancy which is now gone because "Good Sheppard's" took that away.....

Deven, again, you are confusing "choice" with "rights".

The rights you have are the rights our society says you have. At one time, Americans had the right to own slaves. We don't now, because "a group of people" decided it was morally wrong. At one time, Americans had the right to buy cocaine at the drug store. "A group of people" realized it was harmful and addictive and had it banned.

As to "betting your life" that those of us who call ourselves protectors of the unborn haven't helped prevent abortions, helped pay medical bills of pregnant women, or helped promote adoption, that would be a very, very unwise bet for you to make.

[Devils Horse]

If a group of people believe something is wrong, that still doesn't make it wrong or even right for that matter. Its all about choice, the only reason this country exists is because someone decided that we as human beings DO have a choice and everyone is entitled to have a choice in any matter. I stated from the very beginning that I do not agree with abortions, but I do agree with it being someones choice because we are a free nation.

I have read where some people say that they are "protectors" and "guardians" so to speak and they are against abortions. I would bet my life that those same people have not once went to an abortion clinic and tried to stop a woman from going in by offering to pay all of her medical bills during the pregnancy and either adopting the child or helping to find someone to adopt the child. Instead, you just believe what you think is "right" do nothing about it and continue to infringe on others rights.

The day that such an important issues as an american woman's right to have an abortion is taken away, you might as well gather up all of your firearms and take them to the dump. Which I think will just be hilarious because Those of you that think abortions should be illegal and own firearms will be faced with another so called "Good Sheppard" organization that is trying to protect you by getting rid of firearms due school shootings, public shootings and crimes in general involving a gun And your going to whine and cry and say, Oh but that's my CHOICE and my RIGHT to own a gun!!! Just like it was a woman's choice and right to abort her pregnancy which is now gone because "Good Sheppard's" took that away.....

You didn't answer my question. Instead you attacked, and somehow brought gun rights into this.

Again, what about the rights of a fully formed late term baby, who takes care of its rights?

If someone assaulted the mother and caused that late term baby to die, would you want them tried for murder? Or would you just want an assault charge and a few months in jail?

It's a very complicated issue. Women's rights or the rights of a completely innocent and defenseless unborn child's? It will be debated as long as abortions are happening, and as long as we have a trace of humanity left it should be. After all, 330,000 women exercising their right to kill their babies is a lot of killing.

But you can relax, abortion rights aren't going anywhere in America. The majority of people abhor the practice, but wouldn't vote to have it abolished.