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Let the courts decide the lawful use of drones in the states. Of corse that would be argued for decades through the court system. For example those spectacular car chases. Why endanger the police and public, just have a drone watch the guy, and gather evidence, and arrest him at liesure. Illegal pot growers. I've watched army helicopters fly over suspected areas, and followed by Hun Vees later. Its cheaper considering that they are looking for plants, when bales of it come over the borders.
I think drones are a good idea, especailly if their target practice weapons firing ranges are in Washington D.C. Once the drone has qualified at the DC range, then it would be allowed to patrol other "civilized" areas.
Hey......picture this. Drones armed with heat seeking speeding tickets.
New traffic slogan: Newer be DUI when there maybe an armed Traffic Drone in the sky!
Now, can they be modified to do shoplifter duty in the malls?
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I want to know if everyone on here that supports murdering terrorist supported water boarding the same terrorist? The problem I have with drones we are not getting any much needed intelligence. Had we captured all these terrorist rather than murdering them we might have saved four Americans in Benghazi.
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With a Drone strike, no american lives are at risk. However with an armed assault, the return of the our forces, and/or their losses are problematic.Originally Posted by roadrunner
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I sure hope we don't use a drone strike to KILL the terrorist that KNOWS about shipments of uranium moving from North Korea to Gaza.......or the Iranian shipment of Nuke material to terrorists in Mali.....or the radical Islamic terrorist that knows of plans to move a dirty bomb through the border in Brownsville, Texas.
I'm just saying........actionable intelligence is lost when we use drones. Boots on the ground, capturing the bad guys, and waterboarding the LIVING **** out of them, has lead to very good intelligence. Intelligence that has disrupted thousands of attempted attacks, and lead directly to the EXECUTION of Osama.
Yea, using drones is a great idea if you want to keep your hands clean, but war is DIRTY.
Later,
Geo
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As always, you want to resort to TALKING POINTS on T
v news. So's now, GEO, how many American Lives would you donate to the enemy, in order to achieve you goal? By the way..., did you ever serve in the USA armed services? Yes or No, If so, you must have been a hell of a fighting machine....
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I don't have a problem killing terrorist, Osama Bin Laden might have been a wealth of information also, I'm not sorry he is dead... Is water boarding torture? If so, I don't like the idea of resorting to that practice, we don't have to be like the people we abhor... I don't have a problem killing a stray dog, torturing it is another matter.
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Gotta qualify my opinion here.....I'm an eye for an eye type of guy. Your people torture or behead mine expect the same X 10. I'm a believer of fighting fire with fire. This is a new day in war with terrorist activity being the form of attacks. The days of conventional warfare are over. It's who can be meaner or more evil to get what they want.
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems that wars are fought out of Washington and not on the front lines and that's wrong. Politicians are not generals and not trained in warfare. Sure they get opinions and reports from the experts but IMO their decisions are based on politics and wanting to be liked by our enemies.
As far as enemies go.....kill em all and let god or Allah sort them out.
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AND I completely agree..........and I love killing these radicals with drone strikes just like the next guy, BUT there are some cases, and probably more than we know about where we should CAPTURE instead of kill....gather the information, then convict and execute. I think this administration is using the whole drone issue to save face with their liberal friends because of rendition and guantinamo........Obama and his minions were so AGAINST rendition and guantinamo that they must use drones.
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Geo
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I just don't believe we have to resort to the same things that we hate in others to get to where we want to go... We look at countries that do these things then look at ourselves and I believe we are a better country for being less anxious to stoop the their level... I have absolutely no problem with killing our enemies and I believe we would put our service men and women at greater risk in trying to capture them and I don't believe it is necessary to resort to torture to protect our country, we have done a pretty good job up until now and I believe we can continue to do so in the future.
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Man I have to say your being naive thinking we haven't done some atrocious things in war....it's war. The millions of men and women who have fought for the USA can't be watched all the time but we get glimpses of things and if you get glimpses your only seeing a small percentage.....but what is torture? Aggressive interrogation techniques? Who defines it? Is a picture posing with captives torture? Waterboarding?
As humans we all get emotional and stress will do some things to you that otherwise never comes out. Look at the Vietnam war, WWII and the more recent wars.
I don't think every soldier tortures and not every instance requires it but when it's time to torture to get info from prisoner or take care of business I say do it and move on. The potus was against it and all this other drivel about Gitmo and terrorist being tortured. McCain even took the approach of no torture but it's just my opinion that they are wrong. It doesn't mean I don't respect McCain I just don't agree with him. Now the potus....I respect next to nothing about him. Haha breaking news huh?
The way you win a war is to kill more of the bad guys than he kills of yours. It's called removing the will to fight and resist. Yes, there are selected individuals that you take prisoner, and then interrogate. Bad guys that surrender are captured and interrogated. Selected leaders or key personnel are singled out as high priority targets for capture.
The 50 bad guys in a building firing at you get either a drone strike, artillery strike, Abrams 120mm Heat Round, or tactical airstrike, then a boots on the gound assault to clean out the remaining folks that are resisting, and to take as prisoners those that are no longer capable of resisting or those who surrender.
He who hesitiates in combat is lost. If you kick a door and wait to see who is going to surrender, you will lose comrades or your own life.
The mission dictates the tactics. The objective dictates the mission specifics. If the objective is prisoner taking, you employ tactics accordingly. If the mission is to secure an objective, or remove a threat, the tactics are altered accordingly.
Patton:
“No poor ******* ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making other ******** die for their country.”
“May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.”
"When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do."
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