Reply With QuoteThat's true, but again the question is causality. Gore and other alarmists have done their cause a disservice by their constant exaggerations of the science. Like the glaciers in the Himalayas disappearing by 2035 etc.Originally Posted by RoadToad
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The Inuits have been living above the Arctic Circle for thousands of years, and their elders are quite concerned. They say it's never been this bad in all their history. But I guess they're a bunch of liars, too.
Just because an a-hole like Al Gore says it's true doesn't mean it's not.
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That's true, but again the question is causality. Gore and other alarmists have done their cause a disservice by their constant exaggerations of the science. Like the glaciers in the Himalayas disappearing by 2035 etc.
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And for decades during the middle ages, Middle Europe was a bastion of grain production, yet today the climate does not allow for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
Which was then followed by a cooler period sometimes called a "mini" ice age.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
And lets not forget that Vikings coming across the Atlantic way before columbus found fields filled with Grapes......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland
This is more than enough to make me think we're a bunch of ARROGANT Jack-Booted MORONS to think we know jack SQUAT about what the climate is really doing, and to spend Multiple TRILLIONS of dollars saving us from certain doom is just as ARROGANT.
JUNK SCIENCE my friends.........JUNK SCIENCE. For centuries folks though the world was flat. Good THING someone not using the "science" of the day, proved them WRONG.
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Geo
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Haha really? Apples to oranges bud. Science didn't say the earth was flat; science proved it wasn't. Scholars knew it wasn't flat, but the general public thought otherwise.I don't really know where you were coming at with that, but the rest wasn't bad.
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"Junk science" that is accepted by 97% of the climate scientists in the world.
The following comes from NASA: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.
AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES
Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations
"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/image...jpg?1356043159
American Association for the Advancement of Science
"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/image...jpg?1356043741
American Chemical Society
"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/image...jpg?1356043131
American Geophysical Union
"The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system — including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons — are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007)5
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/image...jpg?1357664102
American Medical Association
"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)6
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/image...jpg?1357246090
American Meteorological Society
"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/image...jpg?1356043088
American Physical Society
"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/image...jpg?1356043718
The Geological Society of America
"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9
SCIENCE ACADEMIES
International academies: Joint statement
"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/image...jpg?1357246150
U.S. National Academy of Sciences
"The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)11
U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/image...vas-border.jpg
U.S. Global Change Research Program
"The global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases. Human 'fingerprints' also have been identified in many other aspects of the climate system, including changes in ocean heat content, precipitation, atmospheric moisture, and Arctic sea ice." (2009, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12
INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES
http://climate.nasa.gov/system/image...jpg?1356043818
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
“Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.”13
“Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely* due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”14
*IPCC defines ‘very likely’ as greater than 90 percent probability of occurrence.
OTHER RESOURCES
List of worldwide scientific organizations
The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.
http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php
U.S. agencies
The following page contains information on what federal agencies are doing to adapt to climate change.
http://www.c2es.org/docUploads/feder...adaptation.pdf
But to hell with all of them.... you guys know better than they do!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_EarthHaha really? Apples to oranges bud. Science didn't say the earth was flat; science proved it wasn't. Scholars knew it wasn't flat, but the general public thought otherwise.
Was it SCIENCE that proved it was not flat, or sailors??
I say SAILORS........
The science at the time was still pushing Flat Earth. Not all, but like Global Warming today, there was no consensus on the matter.
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I think maybe the flat earth belief came from the bible but I suspect sailors put the myth to bed.
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth
Lol I can post links to wikipedia too. Simply put, you are wrong, and the analogy was completely illogical. But back to the original point of the post...
Edit: So you really believe that 97% of the earth's scientists are wrong?
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Fine, I'm wrong.
With regards to 97% of the earths scientists being wrong........Not wrong....ARROGANT. Science is an ever changing field. What we thought we knew 50 years ago is something different today. What we knew 500 years ago is SIGNIFICANTLY different.....
Does it not even bother you that for the past 15 years there has been zero change and we've actually cooled. AND during that same time, your GOD ( Al Gore), said we'd all be in the hellfires, and New York would be under water.
An Inconvenient Truth became a "Convenient Way" to get foolish folks to buy into a lot of stuff and spend LOTS of money and make Al Gore into a multi Billionaire. The first "green" billionaire in our time. Don't you feel like a FOOL for believing his drivel? You Should, because most of it has been debunked.
Since you are capable of managing a browser, Google: debunking an inconvenient truth, and read all about it.
No, 97% are not wrong. Misguided maybe.
Finally, do you even give two RIPS about he story about how 600 weather stations were reporting data incorrectly during the entire time data was collected, and that some of those stations were put where they were put DELIBERATELY to give false or misleading information?
SAD...
Really SAD.
Later,
Geo
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I don't know if this was directed at me or one of the other guys, but a lot of what you stated hit the nail on the head. I do, however, believe part of climate change is caused by us. At the end of the day though, the earth is going to do whatever the hell it wants and I don't think there is anything we can do about it.
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You have ZERO training in the field, yet you call the opinion of the vast majority of scientists in the field "junk science," and you call THEM arrogant? And just where are you getting this "zero change" and "we've actually cooled" baloney? It is true that the warming during that period has been slower than before that, but it hasn't stopped. And nobody ever said it would be a smooth curve. Anybody with any sense should know that very few things (if any) in nature happen that way. And, the warmest years in the historical record have occured during this period.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/sc...e-plateau.html
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NO 90 degree days in August I thought it was getting warmer.
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