Obamacare or bushcare?

[waterdog101]

theres been enough crying over Obamacare, the Republicans need to put forth a real plan, that is better than Obamacare, to replace it, it should be easy for them to do,iffff Obamacare is as bad as they keep saying it is. the truth is they don't have a real plan, that is better than Obamacare, that will help all Americans. check out some of these plans they say they have, read the Bushcare plan real slow and see what you think of it. it should put some Government change in a lot of folks pocket.
http://theweek.com/article/index/256...cal-and-doomed

[DJD]

Obamacare wasn't read before it was passed, Obama lied about the facts, the dems know it's a disgrace so they keep postponing it. They need to make the idiots answer that and it suffer the consequences. But now we have to read the proposals and decide if it's better?? Maybe we should find out what is in the obamacare crap first?? Then fix the idiotic things and correct the things like cost to is a good start.

Personally my belief is that they should stay away from anything brand new until they figure out what all is wrong with obamacare. Why change again for the sake of change? I know that's the libs way but it doesn't work!! They should repeal obamacare since it's a mess and let things get closer to the way it was and take their time of figuring out what to do.

The biggest problem is that now that they messed with healthcare it will always be a huge mess. This is why I and so many people didn't want them to make our healthcare decisions. The liberals really screwed us all with that ignorant, shortsighted move.

[GeoFisher]

theres been enough crying over Obamacare, the Republicans need to put forth a real plan, that is better than Obamacare, to replace it, it should be easy for them to do,iffff Obamacare is as bad as they keep saying it is. the truth is they don't have a real plan, that is better than Obamacare, that will help all Americans. check out some of these plans they say they have, read the Bushcare plan real slow and see what you think of it. it should put some Government change in a lot of folks pocket.
http://theweek.com/article/index/256...cal-and-doomed

Bushcare............REALLY?? What a wonderful title from those who voted for the socialists who put us into this mess.

But to answer your question, republicans have offered up significant solutions. YOU DO realize that if that dirt bag douche of a sob harry reid would allow a vote on obamacare in the senate, it would be REPEALED. COMPLETELY and with a veto proof supermajority.

Back to republican solutions.....here are a few links.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...d-dozens-solu/

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...are-solutions/

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/GO...lan_061709.pdf

I don't like this one, but will include it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewh...-big-tax-hike/

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/GOP...2/10/id/541025

That should give you enough to read for a while...........

Later,

Geo

[GeoFisher]

Obamacare wasn't read before it was passed, Obama lied about the facts, the dems know it's a disgrace so they keep postponing it. They need to make the idiots answer that and it suffer the consequences. But now we have to read the proposals and decide if it's better?? Maybe we should find out what is in the obamacare crap first?? Then fix the idiotic things and correct the things like cost to is a good start.

Personally my belief is that they should stay away from anything brand new until they figure out what all is wrong with obamacare. Why change again for the sake of change? I know that's the libs way but it doesn't work!! They should repeal obamacare since it's a mess and let things get closer to the way it was and take their time of figuring out what to do.

The biggest problem is that now that they messed with healthcare it will always be a huge mess. This is why I and so many people didn't want them to make our healthcare decisions. The liberals really screwed us all with that ignorant, shortsighted move.

I think we should let the entire system melt down. Let anarchy take over. We will see how these lib TARD buffoons who want gun control pan out. I think in a totally anarchist meltdown, we will lose about 80% of all LIBTARDS and we will be able to start over.

Let the anarchy parties begin.....

Later,

Geo

[roadrunner]

theres been enough crying over Obamacare, the Republicans need to put forth a real plan, that is better than Obamacare, to replace it, it should be easy for them to do,iffff Obamacare is as bad as they keep saying it is. the truth is they don't have a real plan, that is better than Obamacare, that will help all Americans. check out some of these plans they say they have, read the Bushcare plan real slow and see what you think of it. it should put some Government change in a lot of folks pocket.
http://theweek.com/article/index/256...cal-and-doomed

I can not believe you said this the Republicans have put forth many laws and many changes and Harry Reid has his head stuck so far up his butt he has not seen any of them.

I just read that the talking points for the Democrats is do not apologize and attack the Republicans and deny deny deny, deny that Obama care is bad, deny that obama care does not work, deny that obama care enrollment isn't good, deny Bengazi, deny IRS scandal,, Deny NSA spying, Deny Fast and Furious, deny and lie deny and lie. Harry Reid the Senate Speaker stand before congress and calls Americans that have spoken about their experiences with obama care liars what a piece of crap what has this world come to.

waterdog you need to start thinking for yourself and do not listen to the democrats talking points. I want you to think about how obama is destroying this country When Bush was president gas was almost 2:00 a gallon and we saw the news every day that stated with a photo of the gas prices the dem's thought it was a crisis not today. we got a body count every day for Bush but none for obama another crisis when it was Bushes numbers. obama has lost more troops than Bush but you would not know it. Think man think You want a plan better than obama care, what we had before was better and it was not good but we were better off before!!!!!

RANT OVER

[Les Young]

My buddy is in his 30s & has had 4 heart attacks & is on a bunch of medication & on SSI disability. Now with the socalled great Obamacare there is a huge copay for his meds & he has to do without part of them that the doctors say he absolutley must have because the copay is way more then he draws. I know this for a fact as he showed me the reciepts or stubs if you will that his uncle which is my brother in law went & payed so he could have his meds. The doctors office did get him some a one month supply of free samples for two of them after the drug company declined to give him any free meds whatsoever. He was sick & hospitalized awhile back & the state cut his little ssi check $100.00 each month to help pay for him being hospitalized.They said with the new Obamacare plan that the state is completely & 100% legal in cutting his check. Before this he only drew a little over $400.00 per month to start with & now without someone helping pay for his meds his future doesn't look to be a future for to long. That's what Obamacare does for people. It's as bad as the rest of his presidency & absolutley pitiful if you ask me. Without a doubt this is the most sorry ass president this nation has ever known. Surely there will never be another elected to the presidency that could possibly come close to being as sorry as him & his flunkies. I'm a registered democrat, but you can bet your ass I voted against Obama in both elections.

[waterdog101]

My buddy is in his 30s & has had 4 heart attacks & is on a bunch of medication & on SSI disability. Now with the socalled great Obamacare there is a huge copay for his meds & he has to do without part of them that the doctors say he absolutley must have because the copay is way more then he draws. I know this for a fact as he showed me the reciepts or stubs if you will that his uncle which is my brother in law went & payed so he could have his meds. The doctors office did get him some a one month supply of free samples for two of them after the drug company declined to give him any free meds whatsoever. He was sick & hospitalized awhile back & the state cut his little ssi check $100.00 each month to help pay for him being hospitalized.They said with the new Obamacare plan that the state is completely & 100% legal in cutting his check. Before this he only drew a little over $400.00 per month to start with & now without someone helping pay for his meds his future doesn't look to be a future for to long. That's what Obamacare does for people. It's as bad as the rest of his presidency & absolutley pitiful if you ask me. Without a doubt this is the most sorry ass president this nation has ever known. Surely there will never be another elected to the presidency that could possibly come close to being as sorry as him & his flunkies. I'm a registered democrat, but you can bet your ass I voted against Obama in both elections.

sorry to hear your friend is sick, Obamacare has one part in it, that I like and think you could be overlooking. under Obamacare the Insurance companys cannot deny coverage, to someone with a pre-existing condition. your friend has has 4 heart attacks, do you know of an insurance company that would even think of selling him a healthcare policy, without Obamacare forcing them to. Obamacare forces the Insurance co. to sell policies to sick folks as well as healthy folks, and if your friend don't make anymore money than you said he does, under Obamacare the Government pays for about 90% or more of the policy for him.

[GeoFisher]

sorry to hear your friend is sick, Obamacare has one part in it, that I like and think you could be overlooking. under Obamacare the Insurance companys cannot deny coverage, to someone with a pre-existing condition. your friend has has 4 heart attacks, do you know of an insurance company that would even think of selling him a healthcare policy, without Obamacare forcing them to. Obamacare forces the Insurance co. to sell policies to sick folks as well as healthy folks, and if your friend don't make anymore money than you said he does, under Obamacare the Government pays for about 90% or more of the policy for him.

Listen to yourself........

Just how is that insurance company supposed to pay for the claims encountered? PULL the money out of their ASS, because unless they have a happy ASS money tree, that insurance company will be bankrupt in a year or two.

THE ACA will use risk corridors to target failing insurance companies, and BAIL THEM OUT.

So, a private insurance company will get money just like GM to stay solvent, due to screwed up laws passed by OBAMA.

ARE YOU GETTING THAT? Or are you so freakin dense that you cannot understand that premise.

It simply amazes me that ass hats on the left think money grows on trees. you simply print more when you need to pay for unreal ****. Guess what boys and girls..........it doesn't work that way.

Oh well.

Later,

Geo

[waterdog101]

Listen to yourself........

Just how is that insurance company supposed to pay for the claims encountered? PULL the money out of their ASS, because unless they have a happy ASS money tree, that insurance company will be bankrupt in a year or two.

THE ACA will use risk corridors to target failing insurance companies, and BAIL THEM OUT.

So, a private insurance company will get money just like GM to stay solvent, due to screwed up laws passed by OBAMA.

ARE YOU GETTING THAT? Or are you so freakin dense that you cannot understand that premise.

It simply amazes me that ass hats on the left think money grows on trees. you simply print more when you need to pay for unreal ****. Guess what boys and girls..........it doesn't work that way.

Oh well.

Later,

Geo

I fully understand, how insurance co. make their money. and if they can refuse coverage to sick folks, to reduce their risk,they will or would and did, before Obamacare. now they have to insure the high risk as well as the young and healthy. anyone that has a pre-existing condition, should be able to see what Obamacare has done to help them, like the guy that has had 4 heart attacks, he will need health care, and insurance co. would leave him to care for himself, but with the help from Obamacare, the man has a chance to live.

[Les Young]

I totally understand what you're saying. He was getting his meds free, but with this screwed up program that has been implemented he simply can't get them without someone else helping pay it & believe me they are quite a bit more than he draws. I don't care at all to help him when it's possible just like my brother in law does, but without someone helping pay for them he will not live long the doctors say. In my opinion that it is pretty pitiful when you can't afford them & the drug companys won't help you out simply because of some stupid *ss program that some decided would benefit so many. It may possibly help some of the illegals that were all of a sudden given citizenship , but there are also folks born & raised here by familys that were born & raised hear for centuries that are suffering greatly because of Obamacare. If you ask me if someone needs meds to live then by all means they should recieve them & if they are on ssi because of something as legitimate & terminal as his case & many more are they should get it at no cast to them at all.

[Hlleonard]

I totally understand what you're saying. He was getting his meds free, but with this screwed up program that has been implemented he simply can't get them without someone else helping pay it & believe me they are quite a bit more than he draws. I don't care at all to help him when it's possible just like my brother in law does, but without someone helping pay for them he will not live long the doctors say. In my opinion that it is pretty pitiful when you can't afford them & the drug companys won't help you out simply because of some stupid *ss program that some decided would benefit so many. It may possibly help some of the illegals that were all of a sudden given citizenship , but there are also folks born & raised here by familys that were born & raised hear for centuries that are suffering greatly because of Obamacare. If you ask me if someone needs meds to live then by all means they should recieve them & if they are on ssi because of something as legitimate & terminal as his case & many more are they should get it at no cast to them at all.

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Don't know about your friends situation, not an advocate of healthcare but I personally know of two different situations where the person gets health insurance through obamacare and it doesn't cost him anything, his meds has a 1 dollar co-pay, don't understand how these situations can be so radically different... makes me think we aren't always getting the complete story either in one situation or the other.

[SLP]

I read this story which gives a couple examples of the life threatening consequence's of the Affordable Care Act.

Here are a few excerpts:

They had insurance, but their plans got canceled because of the Affordable Care Act, forcing them into ObamaCare. Now they’re discovering that ObamaCare plans aren’t for sick people. They offer “free” mammograms, “free” colonoscopies and “free” contraceptives — meaning you don’t have a copay. But if you have cancer, MS or Parkinson’s, you’re in trouble: Most ObamaCare plans skimp on specialists and life-saving drugs....

Dr. Jeffrey English, a Georgia neurologist who treats patients with advanced MS, worries that such patients forced into exchange plans will deteriorate rapidly. Some plans don’t cover six out of the 10 drugs that can treat MS, including the ones most effective at staving off irreversible paralysis....

Dr. Katherine Albrecht developed stage 3c breast cancer (which had spread to her lymph nodes) in 2011. Doctors at her local hospital in Nashua, NH, told her to get her affairs in order. But her Anthem PPO health insurance allowed her to go to Dana Farber Cancer Center in Boston, where she was successfully treated, and afterward to Cornell Breast Cancer Center.Her Anthem policy was canceled late last year, because it didn’t meet ObamaCare mandates such as maternity coverage. Yet ObamaCare-compliant policies in New Hampshire won’t cover care at 10 of the 26 hospitals in the state, and none outside the state — so if she’d been on ObamaCare when she got cancer, she couldn’t have gone to Boston for care. Albrecht says, “Under ObamaCare, I’d be dead.”...

Recently, the president urged Organizing for Action volunteers to enroll as many people as possible in ObamaCare before the March 31 deadline, calling it “God’s work.” Really? Maybe helping the uninsured is God’s work. But not convincing people with health problems to move into plans that won’t provide the care they need to stay alive. In the private sector, that would be fraud. It takes politics to a new low....

Here is a link to the full article


http://nypost.com/2014/03/04/how-oba...laps-the-sick/