Question for the Obama Voters

[kyfanatic]

I consider myself middle of the road neither right nor left,I vote for whomever I consider to be the best choice,While I have posted plenty of negatives that I believe to be true against Obama,I would like you to tell me what it is you think Obama will do or change to make this country better.Tell me how you think he will accomplish the things you think he will do also please.
Glenn P.

[Col Forbin]

He has much more realistic views on Education reform. NCLB is up for reauthorization next year, and McCain wants to keep it the same - I guess he is not aware it is seriously flawed initiative. In Obama's education plan he is focusing on rebuilding failing schools, rather than further penalizing them. This is something that directly affects my profession - and is one of the primary issues I am basing my decision on. His tax plan makes total sense to me, whereas McCains seems to not be changing much of anything - I guess He, himself, saw his economic plan as a flawed, as he just made a totally new one this week in a last attempt to gain some votes. I am also 100% for his (actually the democratic) health care initiative. I work with too many families making the choice to work entirely for health insurance (not much left after premiums), choosing to not sacrafice needs for health insurance premium - risking thier family welfare, or worst case scenario, living off of government assitances rather than giving up those benefits to seek reasonable employment that doesn't have near the benefits of the assistance. There definitely needs to be government intervention with healthcare, and his plan offers that, however, not to the point of a socialist healthcare system, as the republicans refer to this as. And the most important fact - I don't want to keep spending money in Iraq. I wan't the quickest possible resolution to this issue, and Obama is prepared to do that, and continue the efforts in other countries where the terrorist actually are. It was foolish of the american government to get us this involved in Iraq, and even more foolish to think we should stay there until the job is done (even though McCain cannot define when the job will be done - he cannont establish a timeline, or vote for any support that provides a timeline).

And he chose a reasonable running mate, that is extremely knowledgeable of the key issues on a national and global level, and could be capable of leading this country if needed. McCain did not make such a wise choice.

[kyfanatic]

I'll bet Obama's big education reform will look like Gov Beshears Democratic reform,1st thing he cut was the Education Budgets,wonder where all that Lottery Money is going?
why should I pay for somebody else's health care? You Libs are good at giving away everybody else's money ain't you? Illegal Immigrants come here and can get free health care,but after i was laid off and didn't have health insurance my family couldn't get squat,tell all the sorry @#$% people that live generation after generation on Govt Asst to get a job or else,you elect Obama and he'll be taking more away from my family to give to the sorry folks who live off handouts.
If I'm not mistaken your Dems voted to invade Iraq right alongside the Repubs,When will you people learn that the President doesn't have ALL Saying Power? Pretty stupid to start something and not finish the job,funny ,but 3 of my nephews were in Iraq and told me they were doing the right thing there.They also said they pray they don't have to serve under a fake like Obama,who snubbed one of them on his Afghanistan trip,seems like Obama was only there for Photo ops and publicity,Big Deceiving Fake and Liar.You think it's foolish to set up a Democracy in the Middle East?
I wouldn't call Joe Biden or Obama any more knowledgeable than Palin,besides it's McCain running for President,and while he isn't my favorite candidate either,he sure beats the other options,better drink some more ACORN Koolaid

[Col Forbin]

Why did you even post this as a question - to bait me into an arguement. It seems you had your response ready to go, before I put mine in. It is your condesending attitude towards people with different views that is giving all republicans a sorry name. I don't think Obama is any more of a fake than McCain. Good luck changing anyone's mind with sorry rants like this.

[riverrat12]

He has much more realistic views on Education reform. NCLB is up for reauthorization next year, and McCain wants to keep it the same - I guess he is not aware it is seriously flawed initiative. In Obama's education plan he is focusing on rebuilding failing schools, rather than further penalizing them. This is something that directly affects my profession - and is one of the primary issues I am basing my decision on. His tax plan makes total sense to me, whereas McCains seems to not be changing much of anything - I guess He, himself, saw his economic plan as a flawed, as he just made a totally new one this week in a last attempt to gain some votes. I am also 100% for his (actually the democratic) health care initiative. I work with too many families making the choice to work entirely for health insurance (not much left after premiums), choosing to not sacrafice needs for health insurance premium - risking thier family welfare, or worst case scenario, living off of government assitances rather than giving up those benefits to seek reasonable employment that doesn't have near the benefits of the assistance. There definitely needs to be government intervention with healthcare, and his plan offers that, however, not to the point of a socialist healthcare system, as the republicans refer to this as. And the most important fact - I don't want to keep spending money in Iraq. I wan't the quickest possible resolution to this issue, and Obama is prepared to do that, and continue the efforts in other countries where the terrorist actually are. It was foolish of the american government to get us this involved in Iraq, and even more foolish to think we should stay there until the job is done (even though McCain cannot define when the job will be done - he cannont establish a timeline, or vote for any support that provides a timeline).

And he chose a reasonable running mate, that is extremely knowledgeable of the key issues on a national and global level, and could be capable of leading this country if needed. McCain did not make such a wise choice.

Is this a wise choice? http://www.anncoulter.com/

[Col Forbin]

Is this a wise choice? http://www.anncoulter.com/

No - anything by Ann Coulter is not wise.

Actually she is as bias of a reporter as Michael Moore is in the other direction. Out of courtesy to you guys, I won't direct you to his site. What she says has very little merrit other than to amuse or appease the extreme right.

[GeoFisher]

WHAT............

He has much more realistic views on Education reform. NCLB is up for reauthorization next year, and McCain wants to keep it the same - I guess he is not aware it is seriously flawed initiative.

Education where the Teachers union protects TENURED teachers, and Professors REQUIRE you to write papers SLAMMING Sarah Palin, is an education system that NEEDS reformed.

McCain said it........WE spend the MOST on education of ANY country, yet we have one of the WORSE systems.........REFORM the **** thing.......AND FIRE all the GD teachers who don't TEACH.

I am also 100% for his (actually the democratic) health care initiative. I work with too many families making the choice to work entirely for health insurance (not much left after premiums), choosing to not sacrafice needs for health insurance premium - risking thier family welfare, or worst case scenario, living off of government assitances rather than giving up those benefits to seek reasonable employment that doesn't have near the benefits of the assistance.

Government CANNOT get anything right.............WHAT makes you think they can get Health Care right........Just look at TAX law as an example..........THE current tax regs are about 300,000 pages long.......GIVE ME A BREAK.

And the most important fact - I don't want to keep spending money in Iraq. .

So, how many planes have CRASHED into buildings lately, how many buildings have been blown up, how many embassies around the world have been blown up.....

The way I see it.....KICK the CRAP out of them over there, and DON'T give them a chance to do it again.

You know.........if we needed to storm the beaches of Guadalcanal today, or needed to land Marines on Okinawa, or put forth a D-Day type invasion, we'd NOT have the stomach for it..........we've became a country TOO scared to to what is necessary. North Korea and Iran would be FIRST on my list of NEWLY created GLASS FIELDS.........SEND a MESSAGE.

and Obama is prepared to do that, and continue the efforts in other countries where the terrorist actually are. It was foolish of the american government to get us this involved in Iraq,

You MEAN Obama is prepared to LOSE the WAR and set us back oh say 50 years. WHAT happens when they get a bomb. I don't think telling you I TOLD YOU SO......is going to appease too many people........

And he chose a reasonable running mate, that is extremely knowledgeable of the key issues on a national and global level, and could be capable of leading this country if needed. McCain did not make such a wise choice.

Not even worth addressing.......but I will try..........Biden is a FOOL. You guys slam Bush for how bad he is, yet you prop up Biden as an example of the RIGHT kind of politician. GIVE ME A BREAK. Biden has done NOTHING for this country.......AND talk about putting your foot in it.......Biden doesn't even understand when a TV was created or, who was prez during the depression, or WHO was prez when the markets crashed.........WOW.

[kyfanatic]

Col Forbin,you are right,I didn't intend to attack like I did and actually wasn't baiting.I wanted to hear your views and point out the flaws,but I got angry after thinking about some of Obama's supposed changes.It's a well known fact that the Dems will draw more money out of those of us who work for a living and give it to those who do nothing but leech of the system,and it will only get worse under Obama.
I've worked hard for over 34 years to get what little I have,have paid out more than my fair share in taxes,and it truely pisses me off for Obama to want to take away from me and give it to some sorry @#$% that won't hit a lick,I am not rich,but between my wife and I we usually make more than any limit to ever get any type assistance if we ever needed it.We were without Health and Dental Insurance from June until this month because I was laid off and couldn't find comparable wages,but my children did without while people who never pay a dime into the system run around getting anything they need paid for,Do you see anything wrong with this?
I have 2 children in college,do you know how pitiful Kentucky's donation to further education is even to a very intelligent kid like my oldest son? Beshear made sure to cut Kees money even more,my son had to go live with my Ex out of state where he gets better aid than in Ky,I really don't think Obama will improve any Education opportunities for Middle Class famoilies like mine,but take more away from us to give to his biggest supporters the System leeching inner city minorities who give nothing and take all,who have Affirmitive Action to give the less qualified jobs because of their race over a guy like me.I'm sorry but I believe if you want equality it should be on an equal playing field no excuses or handouts.

[kygorski]

You were chumming for an argument, pure and simple! You only are able to see one side of any coin.I'm not going to vote for mcbusch.But I hiope he wins, so that some of you guys will just plain shut up!

[Col Forbin]

WHAT............



Education where the Teachers union protects TENURED teachers, and Professors REQUIRE you to write papers SLAMMING Sarah Palin, is an education system that NEEDS reformed.

McCain said it........WE spend the MOST on education of ANY country, yet we have one of the WORSE systems.........REFORM the **** thing.......AND FIRE all the GD teachers who don't TEACH..

We don't have the worst systems. If you want to discuss education, I suggest you spend some times in the schools first hand, rather than get your information from second hand sources. We spend the most on education becuase we educate every child in america, not only the ones capable of pursuing secondary education. America is the ONLY country that includes all children in performance test scores (this includes children with leaning disabilities, as well as children with significant moderate to severe/profound cognitive disabilities. Do you think that has any affect on our overall performance score? Yes, but I think that is one of the possitives of our education system when compared to other developed countries. McCain does not have a clue about special education initiatives in this country, Obama is the only one addressing this. McCain on the other hand wants to continue the NCLB accountability that is pretty much focused on a 50's style industrial education, and is requiring teachers to focus on regurgating set core content with little room for creative instruction and technology education that will help our students succeed in an world-wide technology driven economy. The problem is not getting rid of bad teachers, it is with keeping the good teachers. With no motivation provided under NCLB, or McCains plan, teachers and schools are only punished for inadequate performance, never rewarded. I was one of the state exemplars for alternate assessments for children with significant disabilities. I recieved a pat on the back. However, if I were to do poorly on these assessment, I would have been put on corrective action. So it does sound like McCain "get rid of the bad teachers" philosophy is not a new concept. These teachers that excel are the ones that move on to other jobs in conulting and teacher training, as well as adminstration that leaves a void to be filled in the classroom. We never reward a qualified teacher that has proven successful for choosing to stay in the classroom. We are not a financially driven carreer field, but we are among the lowest paid profession with an advanced degree, we are not going to pass up significant salary increases for other job opportunities.



Government CANNOT get anything right.............WHAT makes you think they can get Health Care right........Just look at TAX law as an example..........THE current tax regs are about 300,000 pages long.......GIVE ME A BREAK.[/QUOTE]

No, that is not true. Bad Government cannot get anything right, and that is what we have been dealing with, and if you have your say in this election - it looks like we will continue to deal with.


Kyfanatic:
Just because I tend to lean to the Dem side does not make me a Beshear supporter. We need serious government reform in our state - not only with the governor, but the state level legislation (the ones that voted in the current education budget) as well. They have put our state education system at risk for falling further behind. On a National Level, Obama is proposing a continuing education system that has been proven successful in other countries. Check out some of the European countries (particularly in the Netherlands) that have tried the Volunteer for education programs - that is why they rank among the top in global education, and our lack to attempt anything creative such as this, is another primary reason why education here is ranks fairly low.

It should be easier for your children as well as all of ours to attend college without breaking the bank. That Keys money was an excellent source for this. When I attended college, I as well as my wife went into special eduation. Because this was such an "in demand" field - the clinton administration developed a plan that our federal student loans would be reimbursed if we taugh in that field for 5 consecutive years. After eight years of the bush administration and mismanagemen of federal funds - guess which program got cut. Yes, we are both paying these loans back now. Also because of this, guess which areas can't find qualified teachers? So in terms of education reform, it does not just include the public school system, it alos should include a system of encouraging people to pursue carreers in education.

[kyfanatic]

You were chumming for an argument, pure and simple! You only are able to see one side of any coin.I'm not going to vote for mcbusch.But I hiope he wins, so that some of you guys will just plain shut up!

Looks to me like you play both sides of the field.

Personally,I don't want either McCain or Obama to win,but we don't have much of a choice do we?

[Devils Horse]

You were chumming for an argument, pure and simple! You only are able to see one side of any coin.I'm not going to vote for mcbusch.But I hiope he wins, so that some of you guys will just plain shut up!

Mkay...let's chat a second. Of course people are chumming for arguments, that's what er..'occasionally' happens here. Part of the fun. Unfortunately some of us aren't as open minded as yourself, or maybe we just figger you're using a 2 headed coin, whatever.

Anyhoo....

There's these little buttons on your mouse thingy connected to your computer, you don't have push them if you don't want to.