Conservative vs Liberal

[DJD]

Obama is piling up trillions not billions and the lame excuse is ...well bush did it too. That's a terrible excuse. Libs said bush was keeping gas prices high and that on e the get in gas prices will fall. Hmmmmm
Oh u can forget about low taxes. It's coming.....

[GeoFisher]

This thread is a joke in itself! Bush piled up Billions in debt and kept taxes low according to consertatives. Obama is piling up Billions more in debt while keeping taxes low according to liberals.12 Trillion dollars later, All I have to say is we need to change a law and allow Clinton to run again so we can have a surplus like he left Bush! Was Clinton a liberal? If so thats what I am, a Clinton liberal who made more money while he was in office than at any other time in my life as did most consertatives.

OK.....the SURPLUS that Clinton created was a JOKE...........he cut the military to the bone, and those VERY CUTS lead to some of the spending that Bush needed to do.

AND yea, Bush spent some money protecting our butts from TERRORISTS, but I guess that doesn't count. AND lets not forget.......the Trillion or so spent on the Wars, is a FIXED expense..........the GARBAGE the Obamunists are proposing are NOT FIXED expenses......they are ongoing expenses that we will NEVER BE ABLE TO PAY FOR.........

Clinton started the "it's ok to NOT be presidential" BS that the OBAMUNISTS continue. When in recent history have you EVER heard a president F-BOMB or a vice president F-BOMB on national TV.......Obama/Biden, that is WHEN.

I cannot wait until we can vote these PUKES out of office.........

Later,

Geo

[DJD]

I wonder how much of Clintons success was due to Reagan and Bush senior? Libs blame Bush for what Barry has to deal with can any credit be given the other way?

[apb]

So how come all of the examples Grumpy posted are males? To the conservative, do female opinions not count???

The problem with stuff like Grumpy posted (nice troll, btw), is that it tries to define a whole group of people based on the actions of a few at the extremes. There are a wide range of views held by both "liberals" and "conservatives". As several others noted, given the above list, I would also be considered a conservative.

It would be pretty easy to come up with a similar type of list that shows conservatives in a bad light. Sooo, just for fun :

If a liberal is homosexual, they demand legislated respect.
If a conservative politician is homosexual, he campaigns on family values, mocks gays, and then has a sorrid homosexual affair in the men's room, and then blames the liberal media for exposing him.

If a liberal doesn't like the idea of abortion, they don't have one and they try to take steps to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
If a conservative doesn't like the idea of abortion, they demand that no one has one, for any reason. Further, they try to stiffle any discussion of sexual education that does not demand abstanance.

If a liberal's candidate loses an election, they point out the faults in the opposing candidate, but will admit when the opposing candidate got it right.
If a conservative's candidate loses an election, they'll pout and complain at every chance what a worthless politician the opposition is, instigate lies and deceptive rumors to derail the opposition, and will never admit that the opposition might have done something right.

If a liberal is a believer they worship at their church of choice, but don't expect everyone else to hold their beliefs.
If a conservative is a believer, they demand freedom of religion, but only for their brand of religion.

If a liberal finds certain behaviors morally objectionable, they don't do them.
If a conservative finds certain behaviors morally objectionable, they try to legislate against those behaviors.

See, wasn't that fun and they're just as true as the ones Grumpy posted....

[apb]

... Libs blame Bush for what Barry has to deal with can any credit be given the other way?

Certainly. Obama kept several of the people that Bush appointed on once he was pres and said that he was doing so as he felt they were good for that position. Gates, for example. Likewise, several programs that Bush started were continued once Obama was in office. Some of them, like the bailouts, are not so well recieved.

Andrew

[apb]

You of course give it the typical liberal twist that people are being deprived of their civil rights, when in fact everyone has the right to marry.
You could 'marry' another guy if you want, and nobody will try to stop you. Hold it dear, treasure it, heck frame a certificate and put it in your front yard. Just don't expect the rest of us to accept it as a legal marriage.

It is not anyone's civil right to redefine a legal marriage for the majority of us in this country. The overwhelming majority, common sense, and nature itself has defined a marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Even our most liberal state, Californication recently voted down "legislated respect".

If people are not being treated equally, then they are being deprived of their civil rights.

Define "natural". Over 125 different species (various mammal and bird) have been documented as having at least a small part of the population living as same sex couples. Sounds like homosexual behavior is a little more "natural" than some would admit. Personally, I find the idea repulsive. Interesting thing is, every gay person (both male and female) that I have discussed this with says the same about heterosexual relationships. Again, it comes natural to them, its not something that they choose.

If you don't want to allow gay marriages to be legally recognized, then come up with some other way to legally give the same rights to all couples, gay or straight. For example, a gay couple could be together for 20 years. One goes into the hospital and is in a coma, the partner can be denied the right to see them and has no say at all in any treatment. The same would not be the case for a male-female couple. How is that fair?

How about serving in the military? If someone admits that they are gay, they will be discharged. Again, unequal treatment.

As to DH's comments on generous: if you look into that further you'll find that its pretty even. Conservatives tend to give more money, however, a lot of this is given to their church. Some of this makes its why to people in need, a good deal of it is for things like a new basketball court for the church. Liberals tend to give directly to the source.


Andrew

[kygorski]

More of Ronnies cronies landed in jail than any other president. His trickle down worked just like not shaking when your done. What did he do? Dont give me that bull about ruining russia, that was done by a guy who wasn't american, and he had help from a strong woman who wasn't american either.He left us in debt, took almost 10 yrs to get out.The last president we had with gonads was HST. Why do I who am not a conservative, feel the need to arm my self? From some foaming at the mouth conservative thats who. And, some of those staunch conservatives from TN are not against big gobermint now, they arew there with their hands out.You dont need to shoot liberals, just walk away and they will keep babbling, but I'm carefull who I turn my back to.

[Devils Horse]

If people are not being treated equally, then they are being deprived of their civil rights.

Define "natural". Over 125 different species (various mammal and bird) have been documented as having at least a small part of the population living as same sex couples. Sounds like homosexual behavior is a little more "natural" than some would admit. Personally, I find the idea repulsive. Interesting thing is, every gay person (both male and female) that I have discussed this with says the same about heterosexual relationships. Again, it comes natural to them, its not something that they choose.

If you don't want to allow gay marriages to be legally recognized, then come up with some other way to legally give the same rights to all couples, gay or straight. For example, a gay couple could be together for 20 years. One goes into the hospital and is in a coma, the partner can be denied the right to see them and has no say at all in any treatment. The same would not be the case for a male-female couple. How is that fair?

How about serving in the military? If someone admits that they are gay, they will be discharged. Again, unequal treatment.

As to DH's comments on generous: if you look into that further you'll find that its pretty even. Conservatives tend to give more money, however, a lot of this is given to their church. Some of this makes its why to people in need, a good deal of it is for things like a new basketball court for the church. Liberals tend to give directly to the source.


Andrew

One definition from Merriam Webster is: occurring in conformity with the ordinary course of nature. I'm sure there are documented cases of same sex cohabitation in the animal kingdom, but I've never heard of anyone observing those relationships actually being uh consumated. Doesn't matter, humans are free in this country to engage in those type relationships if they want.

It is not a civil right to serve in the military. You are accepted based on your ability to positively contribute to whatever capacity you are assigned. One would assume they consider you living with the gender you're sexually attracted to a distraction. I'm pretty sure if I showered and slept with an all female unit I'd be 'distracted' most of the time. Gay people have no more right to be in the military than people who are discharged because of a heart condition or flat feet.

I know gay people who I consider friends. They are generally honest productive members of society, and I'm not opposed to them having hospital, insurance, or other rights. I am however strongly opposed to legally redefining marriage to accommodate them.

[Devils Horse]

It would be pretty easy to come up with a similar type of list that shows conservatives in a bad light. Sooo, just for fun :

If a liberal is homosexual, they demand legislated respect.
If a conservative politician is homosexual, he campaigns on family values, mocks gays, and then has a sorrid homosexual affair in the men's room, and then blames the liberal media for exposing him.

--Man, that's cold. Talk about picking one isolated case as an example. What category does Barney Frank fit in?

If a liberal doesn't like the idea of abortion, they don't have one and they try to take steps to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
If a conservative doesn't like the idea of abortion, they demand that no one has one, for any reason. Further, they try to stiffle any discussion of sexual education that does not demand abstanance.

--No such thing as a liberal who doesn't like the idea of an abortion. They want legally unfettered murder of unborn fetuses for any reason period. Liberals have done their best to make sure pregnant children don't even have to notify their legal guardians before having an abortion. The President of the United States, a committed liberal doesn't think his daughter 'should be punished with a baby if she makes a mistake"....

Stay away Andrew, I can wear you out all day on this one.

If a liberal's candidate loses an election, they point out the faults in the opposing candidate, but will admit when the opposing candidate got it right.
If a conservative's candidate loses an election, they'll pout and complain at every chance what a worthless politician the opposition is, instigate lies and deceptive rumors to derail the opposition, and will never admit that the opposition might have done something right.

-- No, a liberal, say Al Gore for instance will catch on to the world's biggest hoax and get stinking rich on it. Bet he sits in his giant carbon footprint of a house and laughs at his followers.

If a liberal is a believer they worship at their church of choice, but don't expect everyone else to hold their beliefs.
If a conservative is a believer, they demand freedom of religion, but only for their brand of religion.

--Don't expect everyone to hold to their beliefs? Spare me. Liberals have made sure the Lord's Prayer can't be posted in government buildings, 'one nation under god' was removed from the Pledge, instead of prayer in our public schools we get the ever insightful moment of silence.

BTW conservatives' er 'brand' of religion happens to be a huge part of what this country we're living in was based on.

If a liberal finds certain behaviors morally objectionable, they don't do them.
If a conservative finds certain behaviors morally objectionable, they try to legislate against those behaviors.

--Problem is there is no such thing as morally objectionable behavior to a liberal.

See, wasn't that fun and they're just as true as the ones Grumpy posted....

You're wrong about how true yours are, but you're right...this is pretty fun.

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[DJD]

More of Ronnies cronies landed in jail than any other president. His trickle down worked just like not shaking when your done. What did he do? Dont give me that bull about ruining russia, that was done by a guy who wasn't american, and he had help from a strong woman who wasn't american either.He left us in debt, took almost 10 yrs to get out.The last president we had with gonads was HST. Why do I who am not a conservative, feel the need to arm my self? From some foaming at the mouth conservative thats who. And, some of those staunch conservatives from TN are not against big gobermint now, they arew there with their hands out.You dont need to shoot liberals, just walk away and they will keep babbling, but I'm carefull who I turn my back to.

Foamimg at the mouth conservatives? Whats that mean?

[Devils Horse]

More of Ronnies cronies landed in jail than any other president. His trickle down worked just like not shaking when your done. What did he do? Dont give me that bull about ruining russia, that was done by a guy who wasn't american, and he had help from a strong woman who wasn't american either.He left us in debt, took almost 10 yrs to get out.The last president we had with gonads was HST. Why do I who am not a conservative, feel the need to arm my self? From some foaming at the mouth conservative thats who. And, some of those staunch conservatives from TN are not against big gobermint now, they arew there with their hands out.You dont need to shoot liberals, just walk away and they will keep babbling, but I'm carefull who I turn my back to.

Are you serious? If you remember Truman you must've been around during the first Carter administration (we're currently enjoying the second version of Jimmy Carter magnified a 100 times over). 17 per cent mortgage rates, economy in the tank, the military demoralized, Iran holding our people hostage 444 days with no consequences.Then the country gave Mr. Carter the boot and elected Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan's so called trickle down economics worked pretty good by all accounts except those of die hard liberals. The country turned around under ole Ronnie and enjoyed one of the longest economically prosperous periods ever. The military got rebuilt, and he dropped a bomb on Muammar Gaddafi who for intents and purposes has been irrelevant since. The debt Mr. Reagan left was a pittance compared to what the liberal controlled federal government is doing now.

Mr. Obama and the liberal Democrat controlled Congress is bankrupting this country with their vision of European style socialism. Take a look over there and see how it's working out for them.

The only people I see foaming at the mouth are Greeks rioting and chucking rocks at police because their socialist economy collapsed and cut off their government handouts.

Bring on Ronnie's cronies, we sure could use them right now.

[apb]

DH,

Like Grumpy's original post, you try to generalize and lump everyone together under one heading. Sorry, but the world just does not work that way. There are a wide range of opinions expressed by "liberals" and "conservatives". Like I said, my list was in jest. And yes, it is as truthful and Grumpy's original list (both highlight the extremes).

A few specific points:

...--Man, that's cold. Talk about picking one isolated case as an example. What category does Barney Frank fit in?

One specific one recently in an airport. Several others over the years too. Frank does not hide the fact that he is gay.

...--No such thing as a liberal who doesn't like the idea of an abortion. They want legally unfettered murder of unborn fetuses for any reason period. Liberals have done their best to make sure pregnant children don't even have to notify their legal guardians before having an abortion. The President of the United States, a committed liberal doesn't think his daughter 'should be punished with a baby if she makes a mistake"....

I think you will find that there are VERY few people who like the idea of abortion. As we have discussed on this forum before, I do not like the idea at all, but do recognize that it is sometimes necessary (rape, incest, health of the mother, etc.). The decission to end a pregnacy should be left up to two people: those involved. The gov't needs to stay the hell out of that decision. I would hate to see something like that case in Ireland a number of years back where a 16 year old was raped and became pregnant. The govt tried to force her to have the kid and were trying to stop her from leaving the country to have an abortion. No way anyone should have had to endure all of that. Too many on the far right would force any woman who became pregnant to go through the pregnancy no matter what the circumstances.

Anyone under the age of 18 should have to have parental permission. Obama's comment was assinine.

....Don't expect everyone to hold to their beliefs? Spare me. Liberals have made sure the Lord's Prayer can't be posted in government buildings, 'one nation under god' was removed from the Pledge, instead of prayer in our public schools we get the ever insightful moment of silence.
BTW conservatives' er 'brand' of religion happens to be a huge part of what this country we're living in was based on. ...

Why should prayers that specifically identify with one religion be allowed in a government building? Having such prayers there suggests that the government is a sponser of that religion. Against the constitution.
"One nation under god" was added to the pledge in the 1950's. Its not always been there. It was a product of the McCarthy era. I really don't think the US wants to go down that road again.

You can have prayer in a public school. I know many kids who prayed while I was in school. They just did it on their own. How else would you do it? Go round the class/school and do a prayer from each of the religions represented on different days? A moment of silence allows you the time to pray if you so desire, or not.

There is no question that most of the founding fathers held christian beliefs. Notice though how they did not specify these in the constitution? If they had wanted American to be a christian nation, they could have easily stated so in the constitution. Freedom of religion and no state sponsered religion means that you can worship however you please. You really want the govt specifying what religion you must follow? Note also that there were many influences that are part of the constituion (e.g., Magna Carter, Bible, Hammarabi's Law, etc.), not just christian ones.

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-- No, a liberal, say Al Gore for instance will catch on to the world's biggest hoax and get stinking rich on it.

My appologies DH, I did not realize that you were such an expert on climate change. Prehaps you can explain these changes to the rest of us.

....Problem is there is no such thing as morally objectionable behavior to a liberal.

Complete bull.

Andrew