I love it........you can BEAT your wife and kids as long as you leave no MARKS

[SteveM4A1]

its funny when you guys call me politically correct when i'm far from it...you need to go read the definition apparently. i'm not going to respond to the rest because it really isn't relevant to the topic at hand. i've already stated my opinion.

[Col Forbin]

its funny when you guys call me politically correct when i'm far from it...you need to go read the definition apparently. i'm not going to respond to the rest because it really isn't relevant to the topic at hand. i've already stated my opinion.

Welcome to the off topic boards, where all opinions are welcome. Of course if you don't share all opinions with the ultra-conservative, socially intolerant masses here you will get ganged up on. Oh yeah, and only statistical data copied and pasted from "Fox News" is accepted here, so your spanking data holds little value.

In all seriousness, I agree with your posts. It is great to see some open minds on here.

[walkeraviator]

Yeah, you can say all you want but i have seen enough to know that spankin has set more people right than turned em bad. Most of the losers in todays world are the result of a parent who just didnt discipline their children at all. "Oh little johnny... i just dont know what to do with him, he talks back to me and gets in fights and does drugs..." well if you made him fear your hand on his ass a little more he may think twice about being a frickin retard...

[DJD]

Yeah, you can say all you want but i have seen enough to know that spankin has set more people right than turned em bad. Most of the losers in todays world are the result of a parent who just didnt discipline their children at all. "Oh little johnny... i just dont know what to do with him, he talks back to me and gets in fights and does drugs..." well if you made him fear your hand on his ass a little more he may think twice about being a frickin retard...

Amen to that!!

[Col Forbin]

well if you made him fear your hand on his ass a little more he may think twice about being a frickin retard...

nice wording there............. I guess if that is how you would talk and reason with a child, maybe spanking would be a better option.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against discipline - but if spanking is your only form a discipline, then that is when issues arise. I do think possitive reinforcement has a far greater value than a consequence type discipline (not just speaking in terms of spanking) - but I think both have a place in a raising well rounded children.

[Tim_T]

Wait a minute Col. I think you may have contradicted yourself.

First you said you completely agree with Stevem4a1 that it is wrong to spank your kids: "In all seriousness, I agree with your posts. It is great to see some open minds on here."

But later stated: "I do think possitive reinforcement has a far greater value than a consequence type discipline (not just speaking in terms of spanking) - but I think both have a place in a raising well rounded children."

Are you running for office?

[SteveM4A1]

nice wording there............. I guess if that is how you would talk and reason with a child, maybe spanking would be a better option.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against discipline - but if spanking is your only form a discipline, then that is when issues arise. I do think possitive reinforcement has a far greater value than a consequence type discipline (not just speaking in terms of spanking) - but I think both have a place in a raising well rounded children.

definitely. I wasn't trying to say discipline shouldn't be used, just that we tend to use it way too much, at least from my experiences.

[Big Gills]

I like you Gills, I would love to meet you sometime. You my Dear make alot of sense and I can totally relate to your way of thinking.

Islam can kiss my rear, sorry that's how I feel folks!

Hey thanks so much my dear Mark and I would love to meet you and have a nice cold Molson Canadian and talk about politics. lol

[Big Gills]

Big Gills, I didn't mean to sound ''Fresh'' in that post, I simply meant what I said in a purely friendship manner. Just wanted to clarify, that maybe you were offended or caught off guard by how my psot sounded.

No my dear friend I was not offended infact I take it as a great compliment. Its great when we find others who we think the same as we do. We would have tons to discuss. Heck no I didnt take it as fresh as all. Remember I worked in a prison for 7 years with mostly men and I have heard everything. You were very nice and it made me smile when you said it. I had to take my mother out to run errands and supper so I didnt have time to respond. Just got home and reading it now. Dont forget chilled Molson Canadian, eh?

[Col Forbin]

Wait a minute Col. I think you may have contradicted yourself.

First you said you completely agree with Stevem4a1 that it is wrong to spank your kids: "In all seriousness, I agree with your posts. It is great to see some open minds on here."

But later stated: "I do think possitive reinforcement has a far greater value than a consequence type discipline (not just speaking in terms of spanking) - but I think both have a place in a raising well rounded children."

Are you running for office?

I was talking more in terms of the views on islam, than the views on spanking. I Don't totally agree with spanking, but I am not one to say you should never spank your child. I got them on occassion (I needed more than I got), and I turned out OK. But I do think there are better options, and there is plenty of data backing that up. I didn't really contradict myself - you can have consequence punishments that do not involve physical contact. However, being totally honest with myself, I seriously doubt I will make it through parenthood of twins without ever giving one of them a swat on the butt.

[bassin_bug]

Alright, that ruling is pretty ridiculous. And swatting a child on the rear end actually does more harm than good. There are various psychological studies that have been presented recently that shows those children that were spanked end up having lower IQs. If you combine that with the knowledge we already know about punishment versus reinforcement, it is clear that punishment should be used much more sparingly than it is used today. If you really want to have a child or any individual learn something, i.e. right and wrong, then you reinforce the good behavior much more strongly than you punish the bad. This is something society has had backwards for a long time, and it is saddening.

Now to this post about Islam as a whole. I cannot understand why we, as Americans, have so much hate for this religion and why we continue to make up reasons as to why Islam is about violence. Firstly, I am from an extremely small town in the Midwest, and have rarely socialized with individuals outside of our belief system. That being said, the few Muslims I have talked to are overwhelmingly compassionate and intelligent. We need to realize that those bad images we see on tv are 90% caused by EXTREMISTS. There is no need to hate an entire religion because of what some outcasts of that religion do. We need to educate ourselves on other religions and cultures, something us Americans do not do very well. We judge by what we see on the corporate-run media and the hate-filled speech we read on the internet. To really understand a culture or religion you have to socialize with those individuals and try to understand them, which we don't do so well. We judge and if it isn't what we believe in, then it is wrong. This is why we have NO relations with any other nations in the world. I love our way of living, but what we believe in isn't necessarily right and what others believe in isn't necessarily wrong.

Now I understand why you made that absurd remark about spanking a child; someone spanked you and lowered your IQ. According to you, children who were spanked have lower IQs. That's a lot of bull; if it were true almost every person on this board would be retarded. I was spanked when I was growing up and it never gave me a headache nor a low IQ. In fact, my IQ is above normal/average. I spanked my 14 year-old's butt and it must have also thrown her bubble off center. Her IQ tested in the genius category, she is in a special school of math and sciences for gifted students and is working on her second year of college.

The only people who claim to have lower IQs and brain damage, caused from spankings, are criminals who are facing long stretches in prison or the death sentence. Isn't that ironic?

[SteveM4A1]

hahaha yes I am a retard and you are clearly smarter about these things. It just amazes me the things people will say without ever thinking, "Wow, maybe I am wrong and should do some research on this?"..by responding in that way, you perfectly prove my point of being narrow minded.