Question about amish

[kydonky]

Here we go folks.... contrary to retoric the Amish do pay income tax, property tax, sales tax.

They can be exempt from Social Security tax if the aply for an exemption..But teachers and many other groups are as well.


"Do the Amish pay taxes?"

"Self-employed Amish do not pay Social Security tax. Those employed by non-Amish employers do pay Social Security tax. The Amish do pay real estate, state and federal income taxes, county taxes, sales tax, etc.

The Amish do not collect Social Security benefits, nor would they collect unemployment or welfare funds. Self sufficiency is the Amish community's answer to government aid programs. Section 310 of the Medicare section of the Social Security act has a sub-section that permits individuals to apply for exemption from the self-employment tax if he is a member of a religious body that is conscientiously opposed to social security benefits but that makes reasonable provision of taking care of their own elderly or dependent members. The Amish have a long history of taking care of their own members. They do not have retirement communities or nursing homes; in most cases, each family takes care of their own, and the Amish community gives assistance as needed."

So, in short, the Amish do pay property tax. The answer comes directly from: [COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.800padutch.com/atafaq.shtml.[/COLOR] I wouldn't normally copy and paste like this, but the answer is worded better than any paraphrase of mine would be.

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[Hlleonard]

I don't object to folks living their life the way they choose, don't know anything about the federal taxes they pay but they don't buy gasoline or diesel fuel but still use the roads, personally I believe these folks should be required to pay the road taxes the rest of us have to pay.

[bassin_bug]

I don't object to folks living their life the way they choose, don't know anything about the federal taxes they pay but they don't buy gasoline or diesel fuel but still use the roads, personally I believe these folks should be required to pay the road taxes the rest of us have to pay.

Some of the Amish and Mennonites do buy gas. Every time I go to one of their communities, I see a couple of them driving old pickup trucks with children and teenage boys riding in the back. The boys are always dressed like they have been working, wearing dusty overalls and well worn hats.

As for the SMV signs (safety orange triangles) attached to the back of the buggies, I guess their objection is for vanity reasons. I think if I were riding in one of them, I had rather have the SMV sign attached than to have a car slam into the back of the buggy.

I'm with you, if they are going to use our roads they should be paying road taxes.

[GeoFisher]

Here we go folks.... contrary to retoric the Amish do pay income tax, property tax, sales tax.

They can be exempt from Social Security tax if the aply for an exemption..But teachers and many other groups are as well.


"Do the Amish pay taxes?"

"Self-employed Amish do not pay Social Security tax. Those employed by non-Amish employers do pay Social Security tax. The Amish do pay real estate, state and federal income taxes, county taxes, sales tax, etc.

The Amish do not collect Social Security benefits, nor would they collect unemployment or welfare funds. Self sufficiency is the Amish community's answer to government aid programs. Section 310 of the Medicare section of the Social Security act has a sub-section that permits individuals to apply for exemption from the self-employment tax if he is a member of a religious body that is conscientiously opposed to social security benefits but that makes reasonable provision of taking care of their own elderly or dependent members. The Amish have a long history of taking care of their own members. They do not have retirement communities or nursing homes; in most cases, each family takes care of their own, and the Amish community gives assistance as needed."

So, in short, the Amish do pay property tax. The answer comes directly from: [COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.800padutch.com/atafaq.shtml.[/COLOR] I wouldn't normally copy and paste like this, but the answer is worded better than any paraphrase of mine would be.

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I looked through ALL the information you provided, and it is really, REALLY ambiguous.

* They don't pay social security, or medicare tax.
* They don't pay local and state government tax.


They DO pay sales and property tax.

I'm still unsure on State and Federal Income tax.

Next, are you SURE about teachers, and social security, and Medicare tax?. Federal employees, some state employees, and railroad men have their own plans, but I didn't think teachers did.

Later,

Geo

[parker]

Had you rather them be a burden on society by coming into the system and drawing on every program avaliable? Or had you rather them pull a 300lb buggy down the road with a horse? I think they dont cost us a penny personally.

[Bobby Headrick]

Some teacher groups can and do opt out of social security, as they can purchase their own retirement plan, that can be better than Social Security. Ky Don I work in a food stamp/gov asstance office, and we have and do have Amish clients, on both food and medical benifits, a lot of them do not have social security #s, they do not have birth certs, the majority do not pay income tax, mostly the only ones that do pay income taxes have business that are very profitable, or visual. I am no way against there way of life, but if you are goona live here and use stuff im paying for with my tax dollars then you should have to honor the SAME RULES AS I HAVE TOO ADHERE TO, period. Just because your religion is different doesnt mean I have to put my life at risk cause you dont want to put a orange triangle on the back of a black buggy, that you cant see in the dark. How many of them have to die before they relize that they need to be seen. Later.

[kydonky]

Some teacher groups can and do opt out of social security, as they can purchase their own retirement plan, that can be better than Social Security. Ky Don I work in a food stamp/gov asstance office, and we have and do have Amish clients, on both food and medical benifits, a lot of them do not have social security #s, they do not have birth certs, the majority do not pay income tax, mostly the only ones that do pay income taxes have business that are very profitable, or visual. I am no way against there way of life, but if you are goona live here and use stuff im paying for with my tax dollars then you should have to honor the SAME RULES AS I HAVE TOO ADHERE TO, period. Just because your religion is different doesnt mean I have to put my life at risk cause you dont want to put a orange triangle on the back of a black buggy, that you cant see in the dark. How many of them have to die before they relize that they need to be seen. Later.

The only reason they would not pay federal or state income tax is that they do not make enough money to owe a tax bill. The are thousands and thousands that don't pay income tax because of income leval. There are thousands and thousands that don't pay income tax because they have accounting attorneys that know the ropes.

As far as the orange triangles go I agree they need them on their buggies. They may accept the risk of accident/death of riding these on the roads at night... but not me. I do not want to be the one that accidentally hits one. I do not want to be the one that kills or hurts someone accidentally. Even if you did this this accidentally I am sure you would question yourself and have a very hard time dealing with such an accident.

I guess the silve reflectors was the best compromise they could come up with. Maybe not perfect, but better that them putting nothing on the buggies.

[kydonky]

I looked through ALL the information you provided, and it is really, REALLY ambiguous.

* They don't pay social security, or medicare tax.
* They don't pay local and state government tax.


They DO pay sales and property tax.

I'm still unsure on State and Federal Income tax.

Next, are you SURE about teachers, and social security, and Medicare tax?. Federal employees, some state employees, and railroad men have their own plans, but I didn't think teachers did.

Later,


Geo

In Kentucky the teachers retirement system exempts many treachers from SS tax. Amish do pay income tax and state income tax just like anybody else. As far as local and state government tax goes I am not sure what you are referring to. They pay state income tax and sales tax so I don't know of another state government tax they would be liable for. The local taxes in Franklin county (in addition to property tax) is an occupational tax of 2% (and yes it stinks) paid by worker/employee. But no one is exempt including Amish.

If I could get a religous exemption on federal, state and all taxes I am starting a new church! It will be the Church of the Almighty dollar. We will also profess Sunday beer sales as part of our services.

[Chubminnow]

Not sure I know the difference between Amish and menonite groups...but there are some in these groups that drive. Everytime I've seen them driving a gas powered vehicle they were piled into a large full size window van...I've seen them at gas and food marts just off the interstate....I've also seen them piling out of these vans 9 or 10 at a time at neighborhood yard sales.

[Devils Horse]

Glad they made 68/80 between BG and Hopkinsville 4 lanes. It used to be pretty dangerous for the black buggies. Back when it was a 2 lane highway I almost wrecked my truck/boat one rainy pre-dawn morning on the way to Barkley. Topped a hill and there was a buggy, an oncoming car from the other direction. Standing on the brakes I was about to put my rig in the ditch on the right when the buggy moved over enough for me to squeeze by. My tournament partner said it looked like there were at least 2 people in the buggy. Thanks to God, and whoever invented anti-lock brakes.

[kydonky]

Glad they made 68/80 between BG and Hopkinsville 4 lanes. It used to be pretty dangerous for the black buggies. Back when it was a 2 lane highway I almost wrecked my truck/boat one rainy pre-dawn morning on the way to Barkley. Topped a hill and there was a buggy, an oncoming car from the other direction. Standing on the brakes I was about to put my rig in the ditch on the right when the buggy moved over enough for me to squeeze by. My tournament partner said it looked like there were at least 2 people in the buggy. Thanks to God, and whoever invented anti-lock brakes.

The sad part of that story is that even reflectors on the buggies will not help when you run up on one of them cresting a hill or rounding a curve. Their speed is just a little more than parked and then you come ove a hill at 55 mph or even 45 mph and they are parked in the middle of the road, extremely dangerous.

I am affraid it is going to take many deadly incidents before this danger is addressed.

[Bobby Headrick]

How do they pay income taxes if they do not have a social security number?some sects refuse to become enmuerated as that would be against their religion also, some might get a #, a lot do not have birth certs that prove citizenship, and before the illegal talk starts, the illegals do not have ss#, unless they buy a fake one, some hispanics have work auth only ss cards, maybe the amish get this one. My point is that they do not accept our government as there ''LEADER" or controlling enity, so they are exempt from our laws. sometime the income is given to the church and then divided between the families of that sect/group etc, that is where the church exemption comes in, this practice might not be used by all, but some do. They do pay prop taxes, and sales taxes. and they have tax #s at their veggie stands. Like said before, they are a good hard working people and I think honest, but if me and Geo said we didnt want to pay taxes or have brake lights on our cars as that makes us look gaudy and god wouldnt love us, they would throw us deep in jail. just saying all should be treated the same, they makes laws that only affect certain groups, therfore discrimiting the others. " ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" HMMM really?.