Putting Gun control in perspective..........

[GeoFisher]

So let me put this gun situation in a different light, that some of you can relate to.

Let’s say that the issue is that evil people are killing other people by running them down on the sidewalk & even driving their big, bad hopped up V8 muscle cars into cafes & coffee shops. One complete nut job even ran down & tragically killed 23 people including 20 kindergarteners in front of a school, after he 1st stole the hot rod from his mother, killing her in the process.

Now I know that many of you are a responsible owners of several of these same hot rod cars. You would never purposely use your cars in an evil way to kill or hurt people. In fact I believe that you would use you hot rod to protect others if one of these evil people tried anything with theirs.

But that don’t matter, the government comes along with proposed legislation to ban any production, export, import or sale of all hot rods & it will be illegal to own or sell any car that is capable of holding a V8 engine. You know that it won’t matter because these sick individuals will just use a V6 or 4 cylinder or even (get this) break the law & put a V8 in their car anyway or just steal one.

It doesn’t matter to the government that millions of Americans are responsible owners of the same hot rods & V8 powered cars. These cars are the cause of the problem & must be outlawed.

I think you get my point. American freedoms are supposed to be just that, freedoms! The 2nd Amendment wasn’t created so sportsman could have arms to hunt with, it was created so the American people could stand against evil with equivalent arms. If you don't like guns, don't own one. If I never threaten you with mine, why should my owning or carrying one bother you. I bet if I'm near you when one of these evil people try something, you will be thankful I was there to protect myself.

[HURRICANEBOB]

So let me put this gun situation in a different light, that some of you can relate to.

Let’s say that the issue is that evil people are killing other people by running them down on the sidewalk & even driving their big, bad hopped up V8 muscle cars into cafes & coffee shops. One complete nut job even ran down & tragically killed 23 people including 20 kindergarteners in front of a school, after he 1st stole the hot rod from his mother, killing her in the process.

Now I know that many of you are a responsible owners of several of these same hot rod cars. You would never purposely use your cars in an evil way to kill or hurt people. In fact I believe that you would use you hot rod to protect others if one of these evil people tried anything with theirs.

But that don’t matter, the government comes along with proposed legislation to ban any production, export, import or sale of all hot rods & it will be illegal to own or sell any car that is capable of holding a V8 engine. You know that it won’t matter because these sick individuals will just use a V6 or 4 cylinder or even (get this) break the law & put a V8 in their car anyway or just steal one.

It doesn’t matter to the government that millions of Americans are responsible owners of the same hot rods & V8 powered cars. These cars are the cause of the problem & must be outlawed.

I think you get my point. American freedoms are supposed to be just that, freedoms! The 2nd Amendment wasn’t created so sportsman could have arms to hunt with, it was created so the American people could stand against evil with equivalent arms. If you don't like guns, don't own one. If I never threaten you with mine, why should my owning or carrying one bother you. I bet if I'm near you when one of these evil people try something, you will be thankful I was there to protect myself.

On the serious side, I absolutely agree with you. Rights should not be withheld from the masses because of the abuses of the few.

On the other hand, as this is a fishing board, could you make the same argument with 2 vs 4 strokes? :-)

[MrSplitshot]

I am absolutely 152.3% in agreement with you on this concept...

I get so MAD listening to the media and lawmakers talk about Gun Control. Obama's press conference today was an absolute JOKE.

He used the term "Military Style Assault Weapon" a few times. Would someone please clarify to me what that means?

I've tried to just shut up about all of this on the forums, Facebook, and among my friends and family, because I get so friggin riled up that it does damage to my innards.

@!#$#!%^$&!#!^#@%%$*!

[jcb]

I see what you're getting at, but even without getting into the merits of gun control, the obvious flaw in your analogy is that muscle cars aren't manufactured for the purpose of killing people.

[Shellkat]

Look at Fort Hood, military installation, if the government cant controller guns there where can they. I have seen things on internet of muliple shooters at sandy hook, who knows they lie about everything.My only bet is it will get worse and I aint handing in nuting.

[TimE]

I see what you're getting at, but even without getting into the merits of gun control, the obvious flaw in your analogy is that muscle cars aren't manufactured for the purpose of killing people.

Merits of gun control? The obvious flaw in your thinking is that guns are manufactured for killing people instead of recreational use, kinda like letting that muscle car loose on a empty stretch of pavement. I'm interested in hearing what guns are manufactured for killing people.

Splitshot, the media and politicians preaching their antigun agenda are not worth getting ones blood pressure up, this was gonna happen anyway. It is sickening how they are politicizing this tragic event and thats why i choose not to watch as well.
New gun laws are far from a sure thing simply because they have been shown to be ineffective, and the numbers are clear.

Also isn't there a USSC ruling that clearly states what "well regulated" means?

[know1]

The analogy is a bit flawed, but I won't disagree with it completely.

I'm not necessarily for tighter gun laws, but these mass killings are on the rise so what I am for is us doing SOMETHING about it.

We can't just throw up our hands and say that the price of our freedoms is our kids getting gunned down at school. I don't have an answer, but I am much more interested in listening to people who want to take action to help this situation rather than those that just want to admit defeat and say we can't do anything.

[TimE]

The analogy is a bit flawed, but I won't disagree with it completely.

I'm not necessarily for tighter gun laws, but these mass killings are on the rise so what I am for is us doing SOMETHING about it.

We can't just throw up our hands and say that the price of our freedoms is our kids getting gunned down at school. I don't have an answer, but I am much more interested in listening to people who want to take action to help this situation rather than those that just want to admit defeat and say we can't do anything.

Associated Press Story: Believe It or Not Mass Killings Are Not on the Rise, They Are on the Decline | TheBlaze.com

"THESE MASS KILLINGS" are not on the rise, just the opposite actually. What is on the rise is the brainwashing of people who just watch the nightly news and don't actually do some research. Have you heard anything on the mall shooting about the ccl holder that stopped that mass murder? I wonder why not, maybe because it does not fit this administration agenda.

Fact of the matter is Know1, if want to be like mexico, you are on the right track. Check out their gun laws! Who supplies the criminals in mexico with firearms? Well the good ol USA government, do you think another government wouldn't furnish criminals guns here in the USA? The only protection we have from becoming like mexico is our second amendment and weakening it would have dire consequences.

[know1]

Associated Press Story: Believe It or Not Mass Killings Are Not on the Rise, They Are on the Decline | TheBlaze.com

"THESE MASS KILLINGS" are not on the rise, just the opposite actually. What is on the rise is the brainwashing of people who just watch the nightly news and don't actually do some research. Have you heard anything on the mall shooting about the ccl holder that stopped that mass murder? I wonder why not, maybe because it does not fit this administration agenda.

Fact of the matter is Know1, if want to be like mexico, you are on the right track. Check out their gun laws! Who supplies the criminals in mexico with firearms? Well the good ol USA government, do you think another government wouldn't furnish criminals guns here in the USA? The only protection we have from becoming like mexico is our second amendment and weakening it would have dire consequences.

I didn't say I wanted tighter gun control. What I said is I want to see people offering solutions rather than just saying we can't do anything about it.

I don't watch the nightly and yes I heard that a ccl holder "reportedly" stopped that shooter although the shooter killed himself so I feel like it's a stretch to say that.

Here's some info I got from ABC news online. These seem like facts to me rather than just opinion. The Associated Press story is talking about a peak that occurred almost 100 years ago.

When you look at a list of mass shootings in the last 30 years, in which a single gunman killed at least four people, this year does have the highest number of incidents with six mass shooting incidents excluding today's tragedy, according to a list compiled this year by Mother Jones. The Aurora movie theater shooting in Colorado, the Sikh shooting in Wisconsin, and the Seattle cafe shooting are among this year's massacres.
And the last few years have also had slightly higher incidents than those in the past three decades. Six of the 12 deadliest shootings have taken place since 2007, and Newton will rank second on that list, according to a report done by The Washington Post.

[jcb]

Merits of gun control? The obvious flaw in your thinking is that guns are manufactured for killing people instead of recreational use, kinda like letting that muscle car loose on a empty stretch of pavement. I'm interested in hearing what guns are manufactured for killing people.

Seriously?

I like to go to the gun range myself, but I lack the capacity to deny that the reasons guns exist is that someone somewhere designed them to kill someone else.

Along the way, recreational uses have been developed. And that's fine with me.

All I was saying was, although I agree with a lot of Geo's post, the analogy is flawed because it compares apples to oranges.

[Tom523]

So let me put this gun situation in a different light, that some of you can relate to.

Let’s say that the issue is that evil people are killing other people by running them down on the sidewalk & even driving their big, bad hopped up V8 muscle cars into cafes & coffee shops. One complete nut job even ran down & tragically killed 23 people including 20 kindergarteners in front of a school, after he 1st stole the hot rod from his mother, killing her in the process.

Now I know that many of you are a responsible owners of several of these same hot rod cars. You would never purposely use your cars in an evil way to kill or hurt people. In fact I believe that you would use you hot rod to protect others if one of these evil people tried anything with theirs.

But that don’t matter, the government comes along with proposed legislation to ban any production, export, import or sale of all hot rods & it will be illegal to own or sell any car that is capable of holding a V8 engine. You know that it won’t matter because these sick individuals will just use a V6 or 4 cylinder or even (get this) break the law & put a V8 in their car anyway or just steal one.

It doesn’t matter to the government that millions of Americans are responsible owners of the same hot rods & V8 powered cars. These cars are the cause of the problem & must be outlawed.

I think you get my point. American freedoms are supposed to be just that, freedoms! The 2nd Amendment wasn’t created so sportsman could have arms to hunt with, it was created so the American people could stand against evil with equivalent arms. If you don't like guns, don't own one. If I never threaten you with mine, why should my owning or carrying one bother you. I bet if I'm near you when one of these evil people try something, you will be thankful I was there to protect myself.

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[waterdog101]

I think everyone should have guns if they choose to, but it wouldn't bother me at all if they did away with clips that holds over 9 rounds. leave the guns alone just shorten the clips.