Gosnell GUILTY of Murder......as it should be

[Hlleonard]

Am I understanding you guys to be saying the democratic party condones the things this guy was doing?... I believe this person was breaking the law the same as anybody else we put on trial for murdering a human being which he appeared to be doing.. What he was convicted of has nothing to do with performing a legal abortion and what you guys are doing is making yet another attempt to blur the line set by the supreme court.

[MrSplitshot]

Am I understanding you guys to be saying the democratic party condones the things this guy was doing?... I believe this person was breaking the law the same as anybody else we put on trial for murdering a human being which he appeared to be doing.. What he was convicted of has nothing to do with performing a legal abortion and what you guys are doing is making yet another attempt to blur the line set by the supreme court.

Killing a baby "legally" while inside its mother at 13 weeks gestation....or killing a baby right after it has been born....

Maybe the former seems easier to deal with because you can't see the baby, but either way, you're killing a baby.

I'm sorry, but the "line" has been blurry from the get-go, thus the great debate on when life begins and abortion. Liberals/Democrats in general condone abortion...ending the lives of babies for the sake of freedom and woman's right to choose.

Back before my wife got pregnant and before we had a child, I actually took a more moderate stance on abortion. I didn't really think that the government ought to make decisions about a woman's body...I thought it was really a woman's right to choose and none of my business. I've changed my stance. It has nothing to do with the woman's body or the woman's right to chose. This is a human life and somebody, albeit it our ridiculous government, has to protect it. There is right and there is wrong. Killing babies is wrong, whether they are a little peanut inside a womb or whether they are 9 months old and crawling across your living room floor. It's a living, breathing, heart-beating, life. The only scenarios that make the abortion debate even a question for me now are rape, incest, or a situation where the mother's life is at stake. Those are hard to deal with, no doubt. But at some point, God's will is just God's will. Killing innocent babies just doesn't ever seem to be on the "right" side of the argument for me anymore. Life is hard. People make mistakes and get pregnant when they weren't planning it, or can't afford it, or were drunk and don't even know the Daddy's name...but that still doesn't seem like justification for killing a baby.

I don't think there's any argument that the liberal/Democratic platform is pro-choice.

[RoadToad]

Killing a baby "legally" while inside its mother at 13 weeks gestation....or killing a baby right after it has been born....

Maybe the former seems easier to deal with because you can't see the baby, but either way, you're killing a baby.

I'm sorry, but the "line" has been blurry from the get-go, thus the great debate on when life begins and abortion. Liberals/Democrats in general condone abortion...ending the lives of babies for the sake of freedom and woman's right to choose.

Back before my wife got pregnant and before we had a child, I actually took a more moderate stance on abortion. I didn't really think that the government ought to make decisions about a woman's body...I thought it was really a woman's right to choose and none of my business. I've changed my stance. It has nothing to do with the woman's body or the woman's right to chose. This is a human life and somebody, albeit it our ridiculous government, has to protect it. There is right and there is wrong. Killing babies is wrong, whether they are a little peanut inside a womb or whether they are 9 months old and crawling across your living room floor. It's a living, breathing, heart-beating, life. The only scenarios that make the abortion debate even a question for me now are rape, incest, or a situation where the mother's life is at stake. Those are hard to deal with, no doubt. But at some point, God's will is just God's will. Killing innocent babies just doesn't ever seem to be on the "right" side of the argument for me anymore. Life is hard. People make mistakes and get pregnant when they weren't planning it, or can't afford it, or were drunk and don't even know the Daddy's name...but that still doesn't seem like justification for killing a baby.

I don't think there's any argument that the liberal/Democratic platform is pro-choice.

There also isn't any argument that the conservative/Republican platform is against making exceptions for rape or incest, or where there is significant risk to the life/health of the mother.

[MrSplitshot]

There also isn't any argument that the conservative/Republican platform is against making exceptions for rape or incest, or where there is significant risk to the life/health of the mother.

Correct.

Not sure my stance personally on it, but the Conservative Republican camp hasn't really been one to make exceptions for rape, incest, or risk of life to the Mother.

I'm not sure how I feel about those three issues in regards to abortion, myself. Tough ones.

[GeoFisher]

There also isn't any argument that the conservative/Republican platform is against making exceptions for rape or incest, or where there is significant risk to the life/health of the mother.

I TAKE issue with that and the party platform.

Abortion should be available, but CERTAINLY should not be used as birth control.

Rape, Incest, Health of the mother, and "other cases" should all be allowed. I deliberately marked "other cases", because there are always extenuating circumstances that you and I will NEVER KNOW.

BUT.....and a BIG BUT,

* they should be disallowed after a certain period.
* this late term stuff should be outlawed, period, and EVERY practitioner should be brought up on murder charges
* ALL federal financing should be removed from it.
* Planned Parenthood and their abortion mills should be shut down.

Later,

Geo

[DJD]

Killing a baby "legally" while inside its mother at 13 weeks gestation....or killing a baby right after it has been born....

Maybe the former seems easier to deal with because you can't see the baby, but either way, you're killing a baby.

I'm sorry, but the "line" has been blurry from the get-go, thus the great debate on when life begins and abortion. Liberals/Democrats in general condone abortion...ending the lives of babies for the sake of freedom and woman's right to choose.

Back before my wife got pregnant and before we had a child, I actually took a more moderate stance on abortion. I didn't really think that the government ought to make decisions about a woman's body...I thought it was really a woman's right to choose and none of my business. I've changed my stance. It has nothing to do with the woman's body or the woman's right to chose. This is a human life and somebody, albeit it our ridiculous government, has to protect it. There is right and there is wrong. Killing babies is wrong, whether they are a little peanut inside a womb or whether they are 9 months old and crawling across your living room floor. It's a living, breathing, heart-beating, life. The only scenarios that make the abortion debate even a question for me now are rape, incest, or a situation where the mother's life is at stake. Those are hard to deal with, no doubt. But at some point, God's will is just God's will. Killing innocent babies just doesn't ever seem to be on the "right" side of the argument for me anymore. Life is hard. People make mistakes and get pregnant when they weren't planning it, or can't afford it, or were drunk and don't even know the Daddy's name...but that still doesn't seem like justification for killing a baby.

I don't think there's any argument that the liberal/Democratic platform is pro-choice.

Well said. I have looked at this topic as yes or no with no gray area for the longest time and to me that's thinking with my heart. When I ask myself about special conditions like rape, incest, major birth defects or harmful to the mother it makes me pause and think with my head.
There has to be exceptions because it would be crazy to allow a mother to possibly die to have a baby born that may die as well during birth and from there it can be what if'd to death. So I'm torn on the subject as well..... If you bring Gods will into it then it's easy as no abortion but I still can't understand his will in this or alot of things. I try but I can't and that's a struggle I live with daily.
I don't agree with the extreme case of this so called Doctor that's for sure.

[MrSplitshot]

Well said. I have looked at this topic as yes or no with no gray area for the longest time and to me that's thinking with my heart. When I ask myself about special conditions like rape, incest, major birth defects or harmful to the mother it makes me pause and think with my head.
There has to be exceptions because it would be crazy to allow a mother to possibly die to have a baby born that may die as well during birth and from there it can be what if'd to death. So I'm torn on the subject as well..... If you bring Gods will into it then it's easy as no abortion but I still can't understand his will in this or alot of things. I try but I can't and that's a struggle I live with daily.
I don't agree with the extreme case of this so called Doctor that's for sure.

I do struggle with this one...no doubt...when it's a matter of extenuating circumstances like rape, incest, or health issues. As a means of birth control or as a means of not wanting to take responsibility for one's actions, I don't struggle with it at all. It should not be an option, in my opinion. Every man and every woman knows that anytime you put a P in a V, you can end up with a baby. That's just part of the deal. Most of us have rolled the dice in that little tango a time or twelve...LOL...right or wrong...and you live with the results, even when they aren't what you planned. A lot of folks get started that way and get blessed with wonderful kids and families that way too, albeit unplanned.

My moral struggle is that even though I feel this way about babies and abortion now, I think we ought to build an express lane on the courthouse steps for capital punishment. I'm a walking contradiction. LOL

[jcb]

My moral struggle is that even though I feel this way about babies and abortion now, I think we ought to build an express lane on the courthouse steps for capital punishment. I'm a walking contradiction. LOL

My objection to capital punishment is both spiritual and practical. Spiritual because I believe no one but God has the right to take life, and no one is beyond saving. David was a murderer. Moses was a murderer. That's pretty strong company.

Practical because innocent men and women have been killed in the name of justice. And the death penalty has never been a deterrent.

[Devils Horse]

I don't want to go back to the coat hanger and back room butcher days of pre Roe-V-Wade, but the so called women's rights groups have taken abortion too far. Those groups and their Democrat allies have gotten it to the point where a woman's right to kill her baby under almost any circumstances is regarded as an unassailable women's health issue. I don't see how that is right.

For the crimes Gosnell is guilty of, they should give him life without parole and make sure he's kept in with the general prison population. Maybe the 'Jefferey Dahmer Effect' would kick in and the planet earth could be rid of this piece of refuse.

[GeoFisher]

Am I understanding you guys to be saying the democratic party condones the things this guy was doing?... I believe this person was breaking the law the same as anybody else we put on trial for murdering a human being which he appeared to be doing.. What he was convicted of has nothing to do with performing a legal abortion and what you guys are doing is making yet another attempt to blur the line set by the supreme court.

YES............Undoubtedly.

[Hlleonard]

Guys... I haven't tried to hide my stance on the abortion issue and because of that I have been chastised for that stance... I do not believe any rights a fetus might have outweigh the rights of s woman who is a citizen of this country....

I believe a lot of you seem to be wishy washey on the abortion issue, you either believe it is "wrong" or you believe it is not "wrong"... How is it ok to abort a fetus in "some" situations and not others... Most of you attempt to make the point that it is a "baby" regardless of whether or not it has been born... Beings you think that, is it ok to "kill" a baby after it is born ( after all it is the same to you) if it fits the criteria you set aside for giving the "ok" to abort a fetus.

[MrSplitshot]

I do not believe any rights a fetus might have outweigh the rights of s woman who is a citizen of this country....

So a woman should be able to abort a fetus (scientific way of saying "kill her baby") because she has the right to as an American? Up to what point? If it's got a heartbeat and breathing, I call it a "baby"...and I think it ought to have some rights, at least to life.

How is it ok to abort a fetus in "some" situations and not others... Most of you attempt to make the point that it is a "baby" regardless of whether or not it has been born... Beings you think that, is it ok to "kill" a baby after it is born ( after all it is the same to you) if it fits the criteria you set aside for giving the "ok" to abort a fetus.

I'm not sure that it should be OK to kill a baby in any situation...even in cases of rape and incest. Comment was made above about punishing those that are guilty, not punishing an innocent child. I think there's some common sense in that. I realize that carrying a baby after being raped would be horrible beyond imaginable though...tough.

Abortion is just a hard thing to debate...no doubt about it...