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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post
    I don't disagree at all. Respect for the environment has to happen. And it is give and take. And those envirnomental concerns also have to be balanced against economic factors also.

    I wholeheartedly disagree. it is easier to get free wifi than clean water in this country.

    Economics first mindset got us into this mess we are in now. The balance is use less, want less, give more. And let things be!

    It was more important for the "economic" side to dump every waste factories had in rivers because it was cheaper. But we all know that was silly. Profit for profits sake is how we destroy this world. If we want to leave a desirable place for our grandchildren we need to change that mindset. No one is going to care if Company A had a %3 profit increase in Q4 because they found a loophole that said if they pollute this way it can save money in 50 years if the area is now toxic. Then no one wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzy View Post
    I wholeheartedly disagree. it is easier to get free wifi than clean water in this country.

    Economics first mindset got us into this mess we are in now. The balance is use less, want less, give more. And let things be!

    It was more important for the "economic" side to dump every waste factories had in rivers because it was cheaper. But we all know that was silly. Profit for profits sake is how we destroy this world. If we want to leave a desirable place for our grandchildren we need to change that mindset. No one is going to care if Company A had a %3 profit increase in Q4 because they found a loophole that said if they pollute this way it can save money in 50 years if the area is now toxic. Then no one wins.
    Economics with enviromental control. In plain words you dont destroy the economy in an effort to make gains 30 years from now when we all will have starved to death and all will have frozen to death in outr homes. BALANCE DANIEL SON, BALANCE!

    Which also means doing smart things like encourageing home builders to install solar when the house is first built. Like putiign solar panels on the roofs of EVERY governemtn building instread of taking a farnmers filed and growing glass panels. It means every pro foot ball stadium ought have solar all over their domes. It means every commercial airfiled ought have panels all over it instead of in the middle of a filed where we need to grow things, need to feed cows. It means putting windgenerators on top of buildings instead of taking up land where birds migrate to and from and killing birds with wind turbines., and yes, nuclear power palnats that are far more efficient and cleaner than all that crap put to gether. BALANCE, NOTY FANATIC ********!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post
    Economics with enviromental control. In plain words you dont destroy the economy in an effort to make gains 30 years from now when we all will have starved to death and all will have frozen to death in outr homes. BALANCE DANIEL SON, BALANCE!

    Which also means doing smart things like encourageing home builders to install solar when the house is first built. Like putiign solar panels on the roofs of EVERY governemtn building instread of taking a farnmers filed and growing glass panels. It means every pro foot ball stadium ought have solar all over their domes. It means every commercial airfiled ought have panels all over it instead of in the middle of a filed where we need to grow things, need to feed cows. It means putting windgenerators on top of buildings instead of taking up land where birds migrate to and from and killing birds with wind turbines., and yes, nuclear power palnats that are far more efficient and cleaner than all that crap put to gether. BALANCE, NOTY FANATIC ********!
    Are you drunk already??? Hahah yes balance is what I'm talking about. No one is freezing to death or starving but we will when there is no land to grow food on because it is poisoned and no water to put on crops because it is all too tainted.
    Balance means moderation. Mainly of business

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzy View Post
    Are you drunk already??? Hahah yes balance is what I'm talking about. No one is freezing to death or starving but we will when there is no land to grow food on because it is poisoned and no water to put on crops because it is all too tainted.
    Balance means moderation. Mainly of business
    No, not yet. I had to go poo-poo
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post
    Wasn't looking to win, looking to discuss and share and learn. And yep this ultra eco crap with no regard for industry, economy, and the ability of a citizen to get fule to drive to work grates me. Only thing I seek is a balanced approach. Just like fishing or duck hunting where limits are set to thin out over populations and support the sport yet maintain the species. That's all this kid wants to see. Just a bit tired of the eco -enviro fanatics.
    NO NO NO!
    who do you think you are almost agreeing with me??
    this was prime bait and you didn't take it , I will remember this .
    ok, fine ! if you don't want to play I will go watch Peaky Blinders.
    *******

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post
    Economics with enviromental control. In plain words you dont destroy the economy in an effort to make gains 30 years from now when we all will have starved to death and all will have frozen to death in outr homes. BALANCE DANIEL SON, BALANCE!

    Which also means doing smart things like encourageing home builders to install solar when the house is first built. Like putiign solar panels on the roofs of EVERY governemtn building instread of taking a farnmers filed and growing glass panels. It means every pro foot ball stadium ought have solar all over their domes. It means every commercial airfiled ought have panels all over it instead of in the middle of a filed where we need to grow things, need to feed cows. It means putting windgenerators on top of buildings instead of taking up land where birds migrate to and from and killing birds with wind turbines., and yes, nuclear power palnats that are far more efficient and cleaner than all that crap put to gether. BALANCE, NOTY FANATIC ********!

    Honestly you dont want to know my thoughts on the restrictions for businesses that i would put in place if I were the guy in charge, you would think I was a fanatic until the money you made went further and further every year because of your lack of dependence on "Business".

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripernut1 View Post
    NO NO NO!
    who do you think you are almost agreeing with me??
    this was prime bait and you didn't take it , I will remember this .
    ok, fine ! if you don't want to play I will go watch Peaky Blinders.
    *******
    Ok, I will agree in the future to look like I disagree but do so in a socially agreeable manner that to the masses would appear to be a disagreeable position so long as you agree in concept that disagreeable concepts will be disagreed to in public but privately dismissed as arguable but not conclusive. Fair nuff?

    And would you like a 2,3,or 4 year extended warranty on that in the event internet issues cause you to be unable to determine if agreement accidentally occurred while you were disagreeing? All policies are zero deductible but require a hidden $4099 co-pay that won’t be disclosed until the disclosure form you sign is presented after the first 23,539 claims.

    Simple enough?

    Actually……could you repeat the question 🙈🙈🙈

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post
    Ok, I will agree in the future to look like I disagree but do so in a socially agreeable manner that to the masses would appear to be a disagreeable position so long as you agree in concept that disagreeable concepts will be disagreed to in public but privately dismissed as arguable but not conclusive. Fair nuff?

    And would you like a 2,3,or 4 year extended warranty on that in the event internet issues cause you to be unable to determine if agreement accidentally occurred while you were disagreeing? All policies are zero deductible but require a hidden $4099 co-pay that won’t be disclosed until the disclosure form you sign is presented after the first 23,539 claims.

    Simple enough?

    Actually……could you repeat the question 
    Of course not! I will never agree to this plan!
    "wink-wink"

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripernut1 View Post
    Of course not! I will never agree to this plan!
    "wink-wink"
    Darn…..well, ok……..I’ll come up with a different plan. I’m gonna keep working this till my meds wear off. 🤪🤪🤪

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzy View Post
    Honestly you dont want to know my thoughts on the restrictions for businesses that i would put in place if I were the guy in charge, you would think I was a fanatic until the money you made went further and further every year because of your lack of dependence on "Business".
    I’d be open to considering those thoughts. I mean you and me don’t agree much and traded body shots but honestly, I do benefit from looking at any issue from multiple view points.

    For starters, I fully agree some businesses have done miserable environmental things.

    One of my thoughts: Companies can not manufacture any item that does not come with an approved method to recycle it either on the items packaging or instruction manual. If they make it they must have a method to handle it safely when it hits end of service life.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoraSpook View Post
    I’d be open to considering those thoughts. I mean you and me don’t agree much and traded body shots but honestly, I do benefit from looking at any issue from multiple view points.

    For starters, I fully agree some businesses have done miserable environmental things.

    One of my thoughts: Companies can not manufacture any item that does not come with an approved method to recycle it either on the items packaging or instruction manual. If they make it they must have a method to handle it safely when it hits end of service life.?
    Hey Buzz,
    Be careful! He's doing it again, he lulls you into complacency with nice gestures and being polite.
    I mean who does this???
    This is wenevetfish.com , if you can't fight amd be nasty maybe candy canes amd unicorns is what you were looking for.
    Read the room man, read the room

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    i am about as far right as you can get but i'm in favor of banning 1 time use plastics such as cups, plates, forks, feed bags, etc.
    go back to paper and glass like we used to.
    looks like the wizard here that knows everything would come up with biodegradable plastic.
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